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[todd]

Northern Gateway was rejected. Not going to happen. 

 

Makes no sense to ban oil traffic on the northern end, let's put all the tankers in the population/economic center… great idea

[Mike K.]

Alaskan panhandle?

[rjag]

Alaskan panhandle?

 

http://business.fina...-town-in-alaska

 

 

 

A First Nations’ led $17-billion project to build an oil pipeline from Alberta to the West Coast has put in motion a back-up plan to site its terminal across the border in Alaska to get around an imminent oil tanker ban in British Columbia’s northern coast.

[Mike K.]

Lol, ok then.

This could turn out to be comedic gold, but at our expense.

[LJ]

Screw the pipeline, just increase the number of rail cars carrying bitumen exponentially, politics be damned.

[tjv]

Any idea where those refineries in Washington State get the crude they refine? I wonder if the oil just bubbles up from under the ground at Cherry Point...it couldn't possibly process crude that's delivered via ocean tanker from Alaska, pipeline from Alberta and rail from Alberta and North Dakota...

Here is the map at to where WA state gets its crude from.  I don't see any pipelines coming from Alberta

 

Again, just an empty threat from Alberta, just increase the flow from WA state and stop all Alberta products destined for BC or our ports.  Time to play hardball, we hold all the cards

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[jonny]

Odd that your unreferenced schematic does not note the laden crude tankers bringing in crude from Alaska right off the coast of Vancouver Island. Odd. 

 

Anyway, we (BC) hold none of the cards. Pipelines are federal jurisdiction. 

 

As Catherine McKenna said yesterday in Question Period regarding KM TMX:

- It is in the National Interest

- Feds clearly have jurisdiction

- The project is going forward

Edited by jonny, 09 February 2018 - 10:06 AM.

[jonny]

Oh, how did I almost forget this. 

 

 

 

In operation since 1954, the Puget Sound pipeline system ships Canadian crude oil products via the Trans Mountain pipeline system from Abbotsford, British Columbia, for delivery to Washington State refineries in Anacortes, Cherry Point and Ferndale.

 

https://www.kindermo...uget_sound.aspx

[Jackerbie]

Here is the map at to where WA state gets its crude from.  I don't see any pipelines coming from Alberta

 

Again, just an empty threat from Alberta, just increase the flow from WA state and stop all Alberta products destined for BC or our ports.  Time to play hardball, we hold all the cards

 

The graphic is from 2013, and it is in reference to refined products, not crude oil. The same website has this information for the source of crude oil, with 26% coming from Alberta via the existing Trans Mountain pipeline, which forks in Sumas to supply refineries in Anacrotes and Ferndale.

 

[Jackerbie]

For reference, here's a map of the existing Trans Mountain pipeline, and the proposed twinned sections.

[Mike K.]

There must be a dozen fully laden oil tankers passing through the strait headed from Alaska to Washington.

[Jackerbie]

Furthermore, "increase the supply from Washington State" means supporting the transport of crude oil from Alaska through the Strait. There is no "have your cake and eat it too" option here. We either get tankers carrying Canadian goods to market in the Strait, or we get tankers carrying American goods to be sold to Canada through the Strait.

Edited by Jackerbie, 09 February 2018 - 10:16 AM.

[jonny]

There must be a dozen fully laden oil tankers passing through the strait headed from Alaska to Washington.

 

There are literally two passing by right now, according to vesselfinder.com. 

[rjag]

There must be a dozen fully laden oil tankers passing through the strait headed from Alaska to Washington.

 

Right now there are 10 Oil Tankers within 100km of Victoria

 

https://www.marinetr...ery:48.8/zoom:9

 

Zoom it out to encompass all of N.A. and its shocking how few tankers are around us compared to everywhere else.

 

https://www.marinetr...ery:36.5/zoom:4

 

We are being played here folks.

[rjag]

Look at Eu and North Africa

 

https://www.marinetr...ery:38.1/zoom:4

[jonny]

Yet the narrative is that these super common vessels are ultra dangerous and disasters waiting to happen. 

[Mike K.]

Oops, I meant to say every few days in my post above.

Yes they are a constant sight in our waters.

[tjv]

For reference, here's a map of the existing Trans Mountain pipeline, and the proposed twinned sections.

ah, interesting, the site I got the schematic from shows nothing about Canada.  Here it is for reference

 

http://www.sightline...s-it-come-from/

[rjag]

Rex nails it yet again

 

http://nationalpost....on-the-oilsands

[tjv]

Alberta premier threatens to reduce oil shipments amid pipeline dispute with B.C.

https://globalnews.c...-oil-shipments/

 

Time to send the military in?  I don't think she even has the right as those pipelines are owned by corporations, not the province