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#7721 sebberry

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Posted 25 January 2021 - 10:59 AM

'Emergency'... whatever. 


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#7722 Mike K.

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Posted 25 January 2021 - 11:01 AM

Who is it for, exactly, if the campers are vowing not to use it?

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#7723 Nparker

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Posted 25 January 2021 - 11:01 AM

Is an emergency entirely of Council's making actually an emergency?


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Posted 25 January 2021 - 11:43 AM

Is an emergency entirely of Council's making actually an emergency?

Hmmm...that’s something like the tree falling in the forest thing.

 

I drove by there this morning and no signs of emergency were evident.  All quiet, no signs of life except for a car parked within the enclosure, hood up, a light blinking.  The size of the tent somewhat undercuts the “community gathering” notion.  If Covid protocols are observed no more than three people could occupy it at the same time.  

 

Among other things that would certainly limit its usefulness as a “warming” place too.  Assume about 120 campers, perhaps half of whom wish to be warmed.  Let’s say it takes about an hour to warm up.  So 60 people, going in groups of three for an hour at a time would fill the tent for at least 20 hours a day.  Hopefully they could organize themselves accordingly and precisely estimate when they needed to be warmed!

 

Needless to say, this is all nonsense.  If there’s no emergency we don’t need the tent.  If there is the tent is pitifully inadequate.  In reality it’s just a function of activists making a statement and politicians scrambling to do anything to pretend they’re addressing the problem.  What they won’t do, of course, is require a measure of personal responsibility on the part of those getting the handouts.


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Posted 25 January 2021 - 11:47 AM

... In reality it’s just a function of activists making a statement and politicians scrambling to do anything to pretend they’re addressing the problem.  What they won’t do, of course, is require a measure of personal responsibility on the part of those getting the handouts.

This.


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Posted 25 January 2021 - 12:32 PM

Lisa Helps said on CHEK that if the addition of this tent were meant to be permanent, they would have consulted thoroughly. But this is an "emergency" situation.

Good for them then that the residents were spared lengthy useless consultations. Helps does what she wants no matter what the consultations say.
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Posted 25 January 2021 - 01:29 PM

This was permitted as a patio for the red cedar cafe under the “build back” program - but the cafe is on Johnson street? What is this madness.

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#7728 Mike K.

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Posted 25 January 2021 - 01:34 PM

It was. Now it’s operating out of the $150,000 kitchen the Fol Epi owner built at Paul’s, and out of Red’s Cafe that closed at the Comfort Inn on Blanshard.

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Posted 25 January 2021 - 01:41 PM

...Now it’s operating out of the $150,000 kitchen the Fol Epi owner built at Paul’s, and out of Red’s Cafe that closed at the Comfort Inn on Blanshard.

Comrade Isitt's perfect transfer from private ownership to socialist enterprise.


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Posted 25 January 2021 - 01:56 PM

This was permitted as a patio for the red cedar cafe under the “build back” program - but the cafe is on Johnson street? What is this madness.

Matt.

Kind of adds insult to injury when the public funds that were supposed to help businesses and downtown recover from COVID go towards catering to the same people that made things as bad as they are leading to a need for « building back » .
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#7731 Taco

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Posted 25 January 2021 - 02:07 PM

Here's Mr Eisenhauer's response to my questions about why we gather budget feedback the way we do. I've included the original email, for clarity, and Councillor Isitt's punt:

(Long answer to a short question.)

 

"Hi S,

Thank you for your question to give me the opportunity to explain our engagement activities.

 

As a City, Victoria’s strives to be inclusive in our engagement practices. There are many reasons why someone who resides in another community may want to provide feedback on a City of Victoria project. A person who lives elsewhere may own property or own, run or work in one of our many small businesses here, among other reasons why they may have a keen interest in the way the Capital City is run.

 

It’s also important to note, and we are clear in our communications about this when presenting results, that online surveys by the very nature of their design are not scientifically representative. They provide information and insights about the views of the people who chose to participate in the survey. This is not dissimilar to other types of public input or town hall type engagement sessions. And surveys are just one means by which we gather public input and feedback. Other engagement activities may also include open houses (all done virtual right now), workshops, tours, forums, town halls, presentations and design charettes, as well as collaboration with advisory groups, all depending on the needs and scope of the project. 

 

That said, what we continue to see is that by far the vast majority of people who participate in our surveys and engagement activities reside in the City of Victoria, and those who indicate they reside outside the city indicate that they live in municipalities within the Capital Region. We don’t tend to see many survey respondents who live outside of Vancouver Island, across Canada or from other countries.

 

Best regards,

 

-Bill 

 

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From: Ben Isitt (Councillor) <BIsitt@victoria.ca
Sent: January 20, 2021 12:23 PM
To: S ; Bill Eisenhauer <beisenhauer@victoria.ca>
Cc: Lisa Helps (Mayor) <LHelps@victoria.ca>; Stephen Andrew (Councillor) <stephen.andrew@victoria.ca>; Marianne Alto (Councillor) <MAlto@victoria.ca>; Sharmarke Dubow (Councillor) <sdubow@victoria.ca>; Jeremy Loveday (Councillor) <jloveday@victoria.ca>; Sarah Potts (Councillor) <spotts@victoria.ca>; c-thornton-joe@victoria.ca; Geoff Young (Councillor) <gyoung@victoria.ca>; Colleen Mycroft <cmycroft@victoria.ca>
Subject: RE: A question about the council meeting Monday this week.

 

Hi S,

 

I believe that the answer to your first two questions is yes.

 

I am copying the city’s Head of Engagement to answer the third question.

 

Ben

 

 

Ben Isitt

Victoria City Councillor and CRD Director

Email. bisitt@victoria.ca | Tel. 250.882.9302

 

From: S 
Sent: January 20, 2021 10:16 AM
To: Ben Isitt (Councillor) <BIsitt@victoria.ca>
Cc: Lisa Helps (Mayor) <LHelps@victoria.ca>; Stephen Andrew (Councillor) <stephen.andrew@victoria.ca>; Marianne Alto (Councillor) <MAlto@victoria.ca>; Sharmarke Dubow (Councillor) <sdubow@victoria.ca>; Jeremy Loveday (Councillor) <jloveday@victoria.ca>; Sarah Potts (Councillor) <spotts@victoria.ca>; c-thornton-joe@victoria.ca; Geoff Young (Councillor) <gyoung@victoria.ca>
Subject: A question about the council meeting Monday this week.

 

Councillor Isitt,

 

I hope this note finds you and your family well and safe.

 

I'm writing to clarify some comments I heard about our budget "feedback" process because I'm not sure I understood what's been happening, and for how long. 

  • Is it true that someone can file a comment into our feedback portal, identify themselves as not living in Victoria and still be included?
  • Is it true that someone from Halifax, Israel, Saanich, Peru, Moscow could claim to be from Victoria and be included?
  • Why do we allow this to happen?

Sincerely,"


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#7732 Midnightly

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Posted 25 January 2021 - 10:07 PM

Lisa Helps said on CHEK that if the addition of this tent were meant to be permanent, they would have consulted thoroughly. But this is an "emergency" situation.

 

she seems to enjoy putting things in an "emergency situation" so she doesn't have to consult with anyone... like shutting down streets, removing parking, blocking roads....spending money like there's an endless supply of it...


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#7733 Mike K.

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Posted Yesterday, 06:55 AM

The statue removal under the cover of darkness.
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#7734 pennymurphy2000

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Posted Today, 03:36 PM

Is Dubow back in Victoria or is he still in Vancouver?



#7735 Mike K.

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Posted Today, 03:37 PM

You mean back in Esquimalt?
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#7736 rmpeers

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Posted Today, 05:15 PM

You mean back in Esquimalt?


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