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#1941 Nparker

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Posted 28 November 2021 - 10:13 AM

Build the bridge and redevelop Mill Bay into the next Oak Bay. perfect place to build a new medical school and nursing school as an anchor for the community. Time to address the doctor and nursing shortage. For funding reduce the number of sociology and woken dead classes.

This will NEVER happen under the current government.  :(



#1942 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 28 November 2021 - 10:15 AM

And put a movie studio on the bridge.
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#1943 Mike K.

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Posted 28 November 2021 - 10:21 AM

With population growth significantly ahead of estimates and in areas other than the traditional core, even the most basic network methodology would demand
a) diversity (New routes unaffected by risks of current routes) and,

b) resiliency (Shore up existing network and establish new routes)

Waiting until a catastrophe to take action is not only dangerous, it's no way to run a business, or in this case a province.

If this was a business customers would be suing.

And the rub is, the methodologies that created the Regional Growth Strategy could not accurately forecast population growth, despite the writing being on the wall, and created an RHS completely out of sync with population growth.

The RGS is now an outdated, miscalculated document and it doesn’t matter how many times you ride your bike around Victoria, that won’t deliver food, energy or provide an emergency escape route.

The train is also bonkers. How many people can it move per hour? Where do proponents of a train envision we build a train yard to accommodate train infrastructure? At the very least it’ll need to span 20-acres and the dollars to operate it will be massive.

Halifax, by comparison, has a far superior road network and it too is a coastal city with coastal challenges. I mean there’s even a gnarly bridge connecting PEI but we are relegated to a goat trail Malahat and told it’s perfectly fine.
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Posted 28 November 2021 - 10:34 AM

In fairness the water to PEI is only like 18 feet deep (21 after global warming), our situation is a bit tougher.

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#1945 Nparker

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Posted 28 November 2021 - 11:20 AM

...Halifax, by comparison, has a far superior road network and it too is a coastal city with coastal challenges...

Halifax is to Nova Scotia what Vancouver is to BC.

https://en.wikipedia..._in_Nova_Scotia



#1946 Klapecki

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Posted 28 November 2021 - 12:16 PM

I actually like this idea. We can build the bridge, call it reconciliation and then let them collect the tolls in perpetuity. Win win win

Maybe if both ends are FN land it can fly.



#1947 Mike K.

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Posted 28 November 2021 - 12:20 PM

In fairness the water to PEI is only like 18 feet deep (21 after global warming), our situation is a bit tougher.


That’s why my bridge will float. Like a ferry, but with less wake.

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Posted 28 November 2021 - 12:21 PM

Halifax is to Nova Scotia what Vancouver is to BC.

https://en.wikipedia..._in_Nova_Scotia


Dude, Moncton(!) has a better highway system than us.
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Posted 28 November 2021 - 12:23 PM

I mean there’s a dang town in New Brunswick with a Giant Lobster thing with a bigger interchange than anything on the Island!
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#1950 Mike K.

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Posted 28 November 2021 - 12:25 PM

So does St. John’s. We’re 50 years behind in every way here.

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#1951 Matt R.

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Posted 28 November 2021 - 12:37 PM

Dude, Moncton(!) has a better highway system than us.


We drove a couple thousand KM's all over NS, NL, PEI and into eastern NB recently and can confirm, the roads are better across the board except for some goat trails in western NL.



#1952 Nparker

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Posted 28 November 2021 - 01:49 PM

...Moncton(!) has a better highway system than us.

So does St. John’s. We’re 50 years behind in every way here.

I mean there’s a dang town in New Brunswick with a Giant Lobster thing with a bigger interchange than anything on the Island!

Just further proof of the "red-headed step child" concern for Vancouver Island infrastructure.



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Posted 28 November 2021 - 01:51 PM

If we get a lobster thing hopefully it’s Pacific Lobster.
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Posted 29 November 2021 - 10:21 AM

The investment required to make commuter trains a reality is $2.6 million per kilometre of track, Peake said, for the installation of 115-pound rails and continuous welding. Of the half dozen proposals to improve the Malahat section of Hwy. 1, Peake said each averages more than $19 million per kilometre.

“Every year the province of B.C. spends literally billions of dollars on transportation,” Isitt said. The McKenzie interchange, for example, came at a cost of $96 million when completed in September 2020. “They choose to spend that money on highways rather than on rail.”

 

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Posted 29 November 2021 - 10:59 AM

 

The investment required to make commuter trains a reality is $2.6 million per kilometre of track, Peake said, for the installation of 115-pound rails and continuous welding. Of the half dozen proposals to improve the Malahat section of Hwy. 1, Peake said each averages more than $19 million per kilometre.

“Every year the province of B.C. spends literally billions of dollars on transportation,” Isitt said. The McKenzie interchange, for example, came at a cost of $96 million when completed in September 2020. “They choose to spend that money on highways rather than on rail.”

 

https://www.vicnews....o-malahat-woes/

 

 

I remember before VHF went into hiding he came up with a good count of how many rail cars would be required each hour to alleviate rush hour car traffic.  Maybe I'll poke through the thread later for that.

 

If we're going to consider rail a viable alternative to the Malahat, we'll need a refined gasoline pipeline alongside it. 


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#1956 Mike K.

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Posted 29 November 2021 - 11:19 AM

I'm a rail fan, but rail is a ludicrously inefficient form of transport for low density areas like the south Island. You need massive density to make it viable, otherwise it becomes a major money pit sucking infrastructure dollars for necessary infrastructure investments elsewhere, like more transit buses.

 

Do not forget that the LRT line, and the E&N railway, were envisioned for and run (respectively) ultra low-density urban development. You can't make a train viable when it steps next to houses for kilometres in any direction.

 

Remember when BC Transit was trying to create a convincing LRT? It required the dead-heading of nearly every bus headed for downtown along the LRT spine. This means formerly convenient, quick transit trips into downtown would now require a transfer at an LRT station. It was a bad idea and remains a solution to a problem we don't have.


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Posted 01 December 2021 - 01:27 AM

 

The investment required to make commuter trains a reality is $2.6 million per kilometre of track, Peake said, for the installation of 115-pound rails and continuous welding. Of the half dozen proposals to improve the Malahat section of Hwy. 1, Peake said each averages more than $19 million per kilometre.

“Every year the province of B.C. spends literally billions of dollars on transportation,” Isitt said. The McKenzie interchange, for example, came at a cost of $96 million when completed in September 2020. “They choose to spend that money on highways rather than on rail.”

 

https://www.vicnews....o-malahat-woes/

 

Those $2.6M / kilometre commuter rail lines would, I assume, be at-grade all the way, thus causing significant lessening of efficiency for all other routes crossing the line(s).  Further, that cost is doubtless for a single-track line meaning only one train can use it at any given time, which is a large part of what did in the E&N.

 

For rail, if it's not off-grade (either skytrain or underground) and double-track, don't bother with it.



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Posted 09 December 2021 - 08:06 AM

It’s like a sad comedy.

The Malahat is closed southbound at Tunnel Hill due to a stalled vehicle.

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#1959 Nparker

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Posted 09 December 2021 - 08:10 AM

Time to fire up the gondola.


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Posted 10 December 2021 - 10:24 AM

Or wait out the 15 remaining months for the Snaw-naw-as ruling to force the government to cede the through-reserve right-of-way land, effectively slicing the railway in half north of Nanaimo. Strong-arming of the ICF to cede all remaining corridor land to the province for any money for transportation use should occur. The Malahat railway bed gets straightened and paved for two south-bound lanes from just north of Tunnel Hill.

The Arbutus and Niagara Creek bridges get converted to multi-purpose paths, with suicide barriers erected along the bridges, not across preventing passage, like the Niagara Creek bridge has now.

The existing highway becomes two north-bound lanes.

Environmental despoiling is minimal.
Traffic interruptions continue to occur but reduce by 70% as cross median accidents are eliminated.
Four lanes of traffic, two in each direction, provides sufficient capacity for decades to come.
More flexible buses use the corridor without interruptions as is now the case when accidents or stalls occur. Egalitarian as it gets?
Yelping by the likes of Ben Isitt is the on top.
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