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[SimonH]

Piss off. 

Gives a whole new meaning to "going on the piss" 

[dasmo]

Gives a whole new meaning to "going on the piss" 

I was just taking the piss out of you 

[dasmo]

You will have to clarify that, I do not try to learn science from memes... You don't need to be as reasonable as me, not what it's about at all.  Just odd you follow/worship thoughts from random youtubers who have never been heard of before, who now broadcast from their mom's basement and you feel they are the truth tellers.. It's laughable... I suppose the trunk is better to hold on to than the tail end... You used to bring interesting links and such, what has happened...?  Now all memes and jokes...

You should drop the strawman and ridicule. The reasonable act is better. I don't follow anyone. I do not have some person I always listen to. I actually think anyone who claims to have the truth is probably a liar.  Note, I have no high regard for the alternative media as I have observed it now for two years and it is also full of fear and lies and rapid sharing of crap just to be new (this is why it is called "news" and not knowledge) and to pander to it's audience.

 

Also if you make a claim you should back it up. Show me the evidence of me following random youtubers and me saying they have the truth. 

[Mike K.]

I believe people have said the first part. Show me where someone says blatantly "trust what you read in MSM" Sure they might post some of that, but no one says trust it all...

So which parts do we trust?

[dasmo]

You will have to clarify that, I do not try to learn science from memes... You don't need to be as reasonable as me, not what it's about at all.  Just odd you follow/worship thoughts from random youtubers who have never been heard of before, who now broadcast from their mom's basement and you feel they are the truth tellers.. It's laughable... I suppose the trunk is better to hold on to than the tail end... You used to bring interesting links and such, what has happened...?  Now all memes and jokes...

Oh, and never lose your sense of humour. It is bad for the immune system.... https://www.webmd.co...t-with-laughter

" Increased stress is associated with decreased immune system response. Some studies have shown that the ability to use humor may raise the level of infection-fighting antibodies in the body and boost the levels of immune cells, as well."

[amor de cosmos]

Also if you make a claim you should back it up. Show me the evidence of me following random youtubers and me saying they have the truth.

well here's something

We should just put this on repeat for 2020 2.0

https://vimeo.com/un...uaDBej5TJAHXR1w

[spanky123]

Well I called to BC covid peak to the day despite the BC covid modelling group last week predicting a quadrupling of hospitalizations and up to 100K new infections a day! https://vancouver.ci...ions-modelling/

 

Today Br BH tells us that hospitalizations are down on the Island by 50% day over day and that we have already peaked in cases.

 

I wonder if the polling earlier this week showing that her popularity had tanked played into the revised projections?!

[SimonH]

I was just taking the piss out of you

Says the piss drinker. Haha. Keep trying.

[Spy Black]

Ah, so you know it's a spear! 

Your are the very personification of the Dunning-Kruger effect!

 

You respond to hard science and medical advisories with a lame, century old cartoon, presumably in an effort to try and support your presumed expertise as somebody who speaks with authority on the subject matter.

 

As per the Dunning-Kruger Effect though, you of course know absolutely nothing about the science or epidemiology of COVID-19, but you are so fundamentally lacking in self-awareness as to the absence of that knowledge within your own brain that you continue to portray yourself as some sort of expert pundit on the subject matter.

 

But you do indeed continue to solidly demonstrate that the DK Effect is alive and well, in that you (along with other anti-vaxers who continue to post to this thread) continue to personify the very definition of said effect to a tee.

Edited by Spy Black, 15 January 2022 - 08:59 AM.

[amor de cosmos]

Physio graduates in limbo as clinical competency exams nixed, but still required for licensure
Graduates who pass written exam may work as interim physiotherapists, but role comes with restrictions
https://www.cbc.ca/n...nsure-1.6316267

Canadian COVID-19 vaccine study seized on by anti-vaxxers — highlighting dangers of early research in pandemic
Study found boosters only 37% effective against Omicron, but data being revised
https://www.cbc.ca/n...xxers-1.6315890
 

Even though clinical trials haven’t shown it works against COVID-19, doctors continue to prescribe ivermectin – and a new study suggests health insurers are heavily subsidizing the cost of those prescriptions.
 
The study’s authors call for insurers to align their coverage of the drug with the level of medical evidence surrounding it -- just like they do for other medications, tests and procedures.
 
The study, published in JAMA by a team from the University of Michigan and Boston University, uses insurance data to study how much health plans paid for oral ivermectin in late 2020 and early 2021. They found that plans paid 61% to 74% of the cost, or about $36 to $39 per prescription.
 
As a result of this coverage, the researchers estimate that U.S. private and Medicare plans may have paid $2.4 million for ivermectin prescriptions for COVID-19 in the week of August 13, 2021 alone. If prescribing and insurance reimbursement were at that level for an entire year, insurers would spend nearly $130 million over a year on the drug, despite a lack of evidence it works.
 
“Insurers usually don’t cover ineffective treatments, or at least make patients pay for most of the cost,” says Kao-Ping Chua, M.D., Ph.D., the health care researcher from U-M who led the study. “Our study suggests that they are treating ivermectin prescriptions for COVID-19 differently. In doing so, they are reducing barriers to an ineffective drug that some are using as a substitute for COVID-19 vaccination or evidence-based treatments.” 
 
Unless strong new evidence comes to light, the researchers argue that insurers should require doctors to justify prescribing ivermectin during the pandemic by filling out a prior authorization form.
 
While they acknowledge this could make it harder for patients to get ivermectin for its FDA-approved indications, they believe the number of these patients would be low. As evidence, they pointed to a CDC study showing that only about 3,600 ivermectin prescriptions were filled each week in the U.S. before the pandemic.
 
*snip*
 
“It’s odd that insurers are covering an ineffective treatment like ivermectin even though they are trying to decrease their costs by billing patients again for COVID-19 hospitalizations,” says Chua, who along with Becker is a member of the U-M Institute for Healthcare Policy and Innovation.

https://www.eurekale...releases/940273
 

The podcast hosts, to their credit, also interviewed a pair of urologists who rightly noted that there’s a clear trail of evidence linking covid-19 to erectile or sexual dysfunction. A study this past November, for instance, found that men with covid-19 were about three times as likely to develop a new case of ED than those who didn’t catch covid-19. Some research has suggested that the risk may be nearly six times higher, yet other estimates are smaller, suggesting around a 20% increased risk. A small percentage of people with long covid, including women, have also reported sexual dysfunction as one of their symptoms. And sometimes, ED can indeed lead to shrinkage, especially if it’s caused by physical damage and scarring that causes the penis to stop becoming regularly erect.
 
There are a few theories as to how covid-19 can cause ED. The infection can possibly reach penile tissue and directly damage to the surrounding blood vessels. It may also be due to the indirect effects of infection on the immune system, which may trigger damaging inflammation. (An over-reacting immune system and blood vessel damage are also the prime suspects behind “covid toes.”) And the experience of hospitalization in severe cases can take a toll on the body, penis included. The risk of ED from blood vessel damage is probably greater in people who already have other relevant health conditions that can affect circulation, such as type 2 diabetes. Many cases of ED can also be chalked up to stress and anxiety, and covid survivors are unfortunately at higher risk of experiencing that as well.

https://gizmodo.com/...real-1848363406
 
Boris Johnson 'encouraged' weekly 'wine-time' parties at Number 10 during COVID-19 lockdowns, report says
https://www.business...umber-10-2022-1

Boris Johnson's possible demise is making ministers 'grow wolves' fangs' as leadership rivals mobilise
https://www.business...minister-2022-1

Demonstrators Take to the Streets in Vienna Against COVID-19 Restrictions
https://sputniknews....1092275796.html

Русская православная церковь попросила верующих отказаться от крещенских купаний из-за пандемии коронавируса. Об этом сообщил глава синодального Отдела внешних церковных связей Московского патриархата митрополит Иларион (Григорий Алфеев).
The Russian Orthodox Church has asked believers to refrain from baptismal bathing due to the coronavirus pandemic. This was announced by the head of the Synodal Department for External Church Relations of the Moscow Patriarchate, Metropolitan Hilarion (Grigory Alfeev).
https://ura.news/news/1052527410
 

Amnesty International has called on the Tunisia to amend its "restrictive" Covid-19 laws, which ban all public gatherings, at a time when Tunisians are taking to the street to protest the coup of President Kais Saied. 
 
The new restrictions came into forces on 13 January, and according to a statement on the president’s Facebook page, allegeding that they were designed to prevent the spread of Covid-19 and will remain in place for two weeks. 
 
“Every January, Tunisians have commemorated Tunisia’s revolution by taking to the streets to voice their grievances,” Amna Guellali, Amnesty International’s Deputy Regional Director for the Middle East and North Africa said.
 
“It is imperative that the Covid-19 health crisis not be used as a pretext to suppress rights in general or the rights to freedom of expression and peaceful assembly in particular,” she added.
 
In its statement, Amnesty International warned that there was a risk of Tunisian authorities employing an unnecessary use of force or arbitrary arrests to enforce the measures; tactics which have been used by the security forces in past demonstrations. 
 
“We call on Tunisian authorities to amend the new rules to bring them in line with Tunisia’s international obligations,” Guellali said.
 
Tunisians have been protesting since July 2021, when Saied launched a power grab, disbanding parliament and dismissing the prime minister. 
 
Many of the demonstrations have been plagued by excessive uses of force by the security forces, including the beating of unarmed protesters and indiscriminately firing teargas in residential areas. 
 
“Over the past five months we’ve been seeing worrying indications of authorities’ increasing intolerance for dissent. President Kais Saied must rescind all restrictions that may implicitly violate human rights and publicly commit to respecting international law and standards,” Guellali said in the statement.

https://english.alar...-covid-measures

MOSCOW, January 15. /TASS/. Russian budget spending on anti-coronavirus measures last year amounted to about 850 bln rubles ($11.15 bln), Finance Minister Anton Siluanov said.
https://tass.com/economy/1388525

广东中山全员核酸检测已出结果482万人 均为阴性
Nucleic acid test results of all staff in Zhongshan, Guangdong have yielded 4.82 million negative results
https://www.chinanew...5/9653191.shtml

Beijing reports first local Omicron case as China battles COVID-19 clusters
https://www.channeln...tbreaks-2437546
 

Sen. Roger Marshall, R-Kan., announced on Thursday that he plans to introduce the "Fauci Act" following a tense exchange with Chief Medical Advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci earlier this week.
 
The bill – dubbed the Financial Accountability for Uniquely Compensated Individuals (FAUCI) Act – reportedly seeks expand public knowledge around Fauci's compensation as a government official. While Marshall hasn't released the text of the legislation, his announcment comes just days after he pressed Fauci about his financial records. 
 
"As the highest-paid employee in the entire federal government, yes or no, would you be willing to submit to Congress and the public a financial disclosure that includes your past and current investments?" Marshall asked Fauci on Tuesday.
 
"I don't understand why you're asking me that question," Fauci responded. "My financial disclosure is public knowledge and has been so for the last 37 years or so, 35 years."
 
"What a moron, Jesus Christ!" Fauci later muttered after their exchange ended. 
 
According to the Center for Public Integrity, Fauci's finances "are already public," but "they could be easier to find." The center also noted that Marshall himself was 17 months months late in filing his own public disclosures. 
 
In an interview on MSNBC later that day, Fauci called it "stunning…that a United States senator doesn't realize that my financial statement is public knowledge."

https://www.salon.co...ith-top-doctor/
 

Here is a member of the Wisconsin state legislature who is about to become very Internet Famous. His name is Treig Pronschinske, and he represents the district surrounding the city of Mondovi, a lovely place in Buffalo County along the Buffalo River where somewhere short of 3,000 people live.

(For the record, Wisconsin killed off its wild buffalo population somewhere around 1830, but, thanks to a good Wisconsinite named Wallace Grange, who reintroduced bison to the state in the 1940s, there is now a small population in the Sandhill Wildlife Area. It’s nice that the old buffalo herds have a county and a river for us to remember them by. And I know that bison and buffalo are different, but hey, it’s the thought that counts. Wisconsin used to make so much sense.)

Sayeth Pronschinske:
 

If you can’t see the virus, how’re you going to do it? How you going to do it? How can you stop it? You physically cannot see the virus. You don’t know if it’s in this room or outside or if it even exists right now in here. You have no clue. How’re you going to stop that?

Is someone going to tell him that he can’t see oxygen, but that doesn’t mean he should stop breathing?

includes vid https://www.esquire....virus-covid-19/
 
Fox News host and right-wing commentator Dan Bongino won't be able to upload anything to his YouTube channel for a week, according to Forbes and The Hill. The website has temporarily suspended his account over COVID-19 misinformation, specifically for saying masks are useless in preventing the coronavirus' spread. YouTube updated its rules in 2020 to prohibit "content about COVID-19 that poses a serious risk of egregious harm." It doesn't permit videos with medical misinformation that contradicts local health authorities, such as the World Health Organization.
https://www.engadget...-133519539.html

[Victoria Watcher]

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

 

[Victoria Watcher]

• On Saturday, Quebec reported 3,195 people in hospital (an increase of 110 from the previous day), including 275 in intensive care (unchanged from the previous day).
• The province reported 6,705 new cases of COVID-19 and 96 deaths.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/n...an-15-1.6316414

 

 

 

 

Today’s coronavirus news: Ontario reporting 3,957 people hospitalized with COVID-19, 558 in ICUs andat least 10,732 new cases

 

https://www.thestar....ada-jan-15.html

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 15 January 2022 - 09:11 AM.

[phx]

During Wednesday’s edition of his podcast, Joe Rogan denied that myocarditis – an inflammation of the heart muscle – is more commonly a side effect in children who have had Covid-19 than it is in children who have had the Covid-19 vaccine. He was immediately fact-checked by his guest Josh Szeps, who said the opposite is actually true.

 

 

Amor, I’m waiting for you to post a follow up on this.

[amor de cosmos]

i don't know what you mean, that story was about rogan getting fact-checked in real time and provided a link to new scientist. what needs following up?

[phx]

You should post a follow up about the recent study from Oxford, which shows Joe Rogan was correct, and Josh Szeps is full of bunk.

[max.bravo]

You should post a follow up about the recent study from Oxford, which shows Joe Rogan was correct, and Josh Szeps is full of bunk.

You should post it if you have it…

[amor de cosmos]

You should post a follow up about the recent study from Oxford, which shows Joe Rogan was correct, and Josh Szeps is full of bunk.

yes, why don't you just post it if you have it. in the meantime here's a study led by oxford researchers & published in december:
 

Writing in Nature Medicine, the researchers linked the English National Immunisation (NIMS) Database of COVID-19 vaccination with a national patient level healthcare database of 38 million people aged 16 or older vaccinated for COVID-19 in England between 1 December 2020 and 24 August 2021. The study looked at rates of hospital admission or death from myocarditis, pericarditis, and cardiac arrhythmias in the 1-28 days following vaccination or a COVID-19 positive PCR test.
 
Julia Hippisley-Cox, Professor of Clinical Epidemiology and General Practice at the University of Oxford, and study lead said:
 
“We know the COVID-19 vaccines are highly effective at reducing risks of severe outcomes from COVID-19 infection. And what we’ve found here continues this finding – whilst there are some increased risks of rare heart related complications associated with vaccines these are much lower than the risk associated with getting COVID-19. For example, we estimated between 1 and 10 extra events of myocarditis in 1 million people vaccinated with a first or second dose, but 40 extra cases in 1 million people infected with COVID-19.  
 
However, it is important that we know about and identify the risks of these rare conditions from vaccines as well, to ensure that clinicians know what to look for, aid earlier diagnosis, and inform clinical decision making and resource management.”

https://www.phc.ox.a...r-complications

haven't i said before that people don't consider the risks associated with *not* getting the shot?

Edited by amor de cosmos, 15 January 2022 - 08:51 PM.

[phx]

Rogan was talking about the risk of myocarditis for young people.  If you read the report, you’ll see that the Moderna vaccine presents a much greater risk for them than does the virus.

 

I was hoping you might take a moment to give critical thought to the information you post here.

[TFord]

tick-tock 

 

 

 

TFord 

[amor de cosmos]

I thought this part stood out:

Our findings extend these observations by including 38 million adults in England receiving both mRNA and adenovirus-mediated vaccine. There were 1,615 myocarditis events in our study population, enabling a granular evaluation of subgroups and the temporal association in the weeks following vaccination. We observed a small excess in myocarditis events after both the first and second dose of vaccine, but this risk was restricted to a 7-day period following vaccination. This observation was not limited to the mRNA vaccines as we also found an excess in myocarditis events following the first dose of ChAdOx1 vaccine. The excess risk was observed in men and women but was only consistently observed following both mRNA vaccines in those younger than 40 years, although this may, in part, reflect the small number of individuals over the age of 40 years receiving the mRNA-1273 vaccine in England.
 
Whilst myocarditis can be life-threatening, most vaccine-associated myocarditis events have been mild and self-limiting. The risk observed here is small and confined to the 7-day period following vaccination, whereas the lifetime risk of morbidity and mortality following SARS-CoV-2 infection is substantial. Indeed, myocardial injury is very common in persons admitted to hospital with SARS-CoV-2 infection, when evaluated systematically using high-sensitivity cardiac troponin tests. Moreover, evidence of myocardial injury, irrespective of whether due to myocarditis or myocardial ischemia, is associated with a higher risk of in-hospital death. We estimate that the absolute number of excess myocarditis events in the 28 days following a first dose of adenovirus or mRNA vaccine is between one and six per million persons vaccinated, and the excess risk following the second dose of the mRNA-1283 vaccine is ten per million. By contrast, we estimate 40 excess myocarditis events per million in the 28 days following SARS-CoV-2 infection. The risks are more evenly balanced in younger persons aged up to 40 years, where we estimated the excess in myocarditis events following SARS-CoV-2 infection to be 10 per million with the excess following a second dose of mRNA-1273 vaccine being 15 per million. Further research is required to understand why the risk of myocarditis seems to be higher following mRNA-1273 vaccine. Although the wider societal benefits of controlling the spread of virus to those who are more vulnerable are substantial, these data may help inform public health policy and the choice of vaccine offered to younger adults.