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#341 VIResident

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Posted 09 June 2021 - 09:33 AM

Woman says her mother put her up for adoption to avoid Kamloops residential school  


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#342 Mike K.

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Posted 09 June 2021 - 10:12 AM

it's almost as if there are serious downsides to running "two systems" within the same country.   :whyme:

 

I guess you could say we have multiple system running in this country already. Consider that the province can override municipal decisions, and the feds have jurisdiction in many areas that the province does not (i.e. fishing).

 

This region alone has 14 systems, plus provincial and federal systems. The ways of conducting affairs all differ between each of those systems in some ways, and are the same in others.


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#343 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 09 June 2021 - 10:13 AM

^ there is a heirarchy though where senior governments can overrule lower ones if needed though.

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Posted 09 June 2021 - 10:21 AM

 

IMO there is no room for 'cherry picking'. 

BC supports inherent rights, support treaty rights or not.                                 

 

The Province has engaged in treaty negotiations, one would presume in good faith. 

Municipalities are a creature of the province.   Why then do we see several municipal politicians hoping to 'get arrested'

for actively participating in a blockade that First Nations have requested be removed? 

 

Reconciliation my ass.

 

I think that in this case the FN made a business decision. They rely on the support of activists, upsetting them would have had a much longer term negative impact. I am sure they had 'feedback' from other FN as well.



#345 Rex Waverly

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Posted 09 June 2021 - 10:22 AM

 

IMO there is no room for 'cherry picking'. 

BC supports inherent rights, support treaty rights or not.                                 

 

The Province has engaged in treaty negotiations, one would presume in good faith. 

Municipalities are a creature of the province.   Why then do we see several municipal politicians hoping to 'get arrested'

for actively participating in a blockade that First Nations have requested be removed? 

 

Reconciliation my ass.

 

Unfortunately, the world isn't as black and white as 'supporting rights or not'.  There are many instances when multiple different rights conflict, and it's simply not possible to uphold right. For example, the right to freedom of speech vs the right to be free from harassment / hate speech; which right is the most important and supercedes the other?

 

If I understand correctly, the First Nation has the right to control logging on its land....  Canadian citizens also have a right to protest, and Canada (or probably in this case, the province) has a right to prevent undue environmental damage and pollution. 

 

I personally don't know who's right is more legitimate, so not really sure whose side to take.  But it's not as simple as enforcing one person's rights, since that by necessity means restricting someone else's rights.  


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#346 Mike K.

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Posted 09 June 2021 - 10:23 AM

^ there is a heirarchy though where senior governments can overrule lower ones if needed though.

 

And that hierarchy extends to First Nations. They must still operate within the constructs of our codes, penal, building, environmental, etc.


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Posted 09 June 2021 - 10:42 AM

They must still operate within the constructs of our codes, penal, building, environmental, etc.

 

 

Kahnawake leads the fight to stop Canadian online sports betting bill

 

Currently, the only bodies allowed to legally administer lotteries and gaming in Canada are the provinces and territories, and single-match, in-game betting is illegal.

 

For example, one could place a bet on the Canadiens - Jets outcomes through a provincial betting site, but not whether Cole Caufield will score the first goal or Logan Stanley will pick up a penalty.

 

Kahnawake has been operating its gaming industry since 1996 and has been trying to get Canada and Quebec to acknowledge its right to do so ever since. Technically, they are operating outside the Canadian Criminal Code.

 

Kahnawake has developed an online gaming economy through its Mohawk Online platform, which has operated Sports Interaction a sports betting, casino and poker game site, for the past six years.

 

https://montreal.ctv...-bill-1.5459977


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#348 Mike K.

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Posted 09 June 2021 - 11:03 AM

That’s no different than illegal secondary suites operating across Canada, though.

I’m sure there are thousands of organizations doing things that are illegal or unpermitted, hoping governments change.

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#349 Rex Waverly

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Posted 09 June 2021 - 11:06 AM

^ Maybe more analogous to all the marijuana shops that were operating prior to legalization (or after legalization but before they could get their permits)? 


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#350 Mike K.

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Posted 09 June 2021 - 11:08 AM

Right, there was that, for sure.


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Posted 09 June 2021 - 11:23 AM

That’s no different than illegal secondary suites operating across Canada, though.

I’m sure there are thousands of organizations doing things that are illegal or unpermitted, hoping governments change.

 

What I am reading is that the FN currently operate outside of the law. The Government wants to amend the law to allow what the FN does (ie single sport and event betting) but that would then permit competition which the FN does not want. Am I missing something here?


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Posted 09 June 2021 - 11:41 AM

We have thousands of lobbyists in Ottawa pursuing all sorts of endeavours. I’m sure the FNs are right up there alongside them, as they should be. The government works for us, after all.

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#353 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 09 June 2021 - 11:42 AM

What I am reading is that the FN currently operate outside of the law. The Government wants to amend the law to allow what the FN does (ie single sport and event betting) but that would then permit competition which the FN does not want. Am I missing something here?

 

you got it.



#354 Rob Randall

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Posted 09 June 2021 - 11:51 AM

FN would argue they had a long-established functioning judicial system in BC for many centuries before the white man replaced them.


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Posted 09 June 2021 - 11:57 AM

you got it.

 

So what's the difference between the First Nation you cited, and the protestors in the forest at Fairy Creek? Both are operating outside of the law.


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Posted 09 June 2021 - 11:59 AM

FN would argue they had a long-established functioning judicial system in BC for many centuries before the white man replaced them.

 

Don't know if that system had many checks and balances but obviously it worked for them.



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Posted 09 June 2021 - 12:00 PM

So what's the difference between the First Nation you cited, and the protestors in the forest at Fairy Creek? Both are operating outside of the law.

 

What I am saying is that the FN is breaking the law and is lobbying to prevent the law from being changed! Usually it is the other way around, someone is breaking the law and wants the law changed to make what they do legal.


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#358 Rex Waverly

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Posted 09 June 2021 - 12:29 PM

What I am saying is that the FN is breaking the law and is lobbying to prevent the law from being changed! Usually it is the other way around, someone is breaking the law and wants the law changed to make what they do legal.

 

Just my guess, but i think the FN probably feels that it is within its rights to operate as they have been.  And if they've been doing it for a long time, with no enforcement actions, that supports that argument.  Like, if they can prove they've been operating openly for many years, and the government hasn't tried to intervene, the government is effectively saying the FN has the right to do as they have been doing.  

 

(Diclaimer: Clearly, i'm not a lawyer, so i may be talking out my ass.)


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Posted 10 June 2021 - 07:50 AM

This is an interview from last night with Kevin Annett, the man behind the 'discovery' of the 215 graves in Kamloops. Draw your own conclusions.

 

(35) Kamloops School, Canada: Kevin Annett - YouTube



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Posted 10 June 2021 - 08:18 AM

This is an interview from last night with Kevin Annett, the man behind the 'discovery' of the 215 graves in Kamloops. Draw your own conclusions.

 

(35) Kamloops School, Canada: Kevin Annett - YouTube

 

Riveting and shocking!



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