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#361 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 10 June 2021 - 08:22 AM

$138,190 has been raised so far to buy $25,000 worth of ground radar gear.

 

 

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Posted 11 June 2021 - 05:47 AM

If you’re referring to the first press release from the Tk’emlúps te Secwépemc Chief, the answer is neither. It does not make any mention of a mass grave.

https://tkemlups.ca/...DIA-RELEASE.pdf

That was an assumption on my part and I probably should have known better.

 

But It was reported as mass graves. I tracked it down and Chief Casimir said publicly  it was the media who started the mass grave reporting. Even APTN reported it as a mass grave:

 

https://www.aptnnews...dential-school/

 

Some of the headlines below:

 

https://www.thestar....amloops-bc.html

 

https://bccfp.bc.ca/...s-te-secwepemc/

 

https://www.kamloops...ears-1.24324160


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#363 FawltyVic

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Posted 11 June 2021 - 05:48 AM

This is an interview from last night with Kevin Annett, the man behind the 'discovery' of the 215 graves in Kamloops. Draw your own conclusions.

 

(35) Kamloops School, Canada: Kevin Annett - YouTube

I drew one 13 years ago.



#364 spanky123

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Posted 11 June 2021 - 05:58 AM

^^ The new narrative is the “discovery of the remains of 215 children”. That was used yesterday as the precursor for cancelling Canada Day.

Of course no remains have been discovered yet.
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Posted 11 June 2021 - 08:19 AM

I drew one 13 years ago.

 

I find it amazing that NONE of the MSM or our political class have even raised the slightest concern about this guy, his claims or the fact that we are enacting policy based on what he has 'discovered'. 

 

Aside from his usual tin hat stuff about the Chinese military establishing deaths camps in BC to kill FN, Nazi's performing experiments on Kamloops residential school children, and the Queen abducting 10 of them, this interview has him also claiming that the Chief and council of the Kamloops FN participated in the killings and burials!

 

I can only imagine that the politicians are hoping that this issue implodes on its own and they can avoid any shrapnel. 


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#366 max.bravo

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Posted 11 June 2021 - 09:23 AM

Kevin Annett has been talking about this for years, but he wasn’t involved in the recent discovery. If you watch the youtube interview with him earlier in this thread you’ll hear that he is skeptical of the details of the claim and he doesn’t think we’ll ever know the full truth (because he says the Kamloops Indian Band is in bed with the colonizers).

The guy is more than a little out to lunch.

#367 Benezet

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Posted 11 June 2021 - 10:40 AM

That was an assumption on my part and I probably should have known better.

But It was reported as mass graves. I tracked it down and Chief Casimir said publicly it was the media who started the mass grave reporting. Even APTN reported it as a mass grave…


These things happen – even the NY Times said it was a mass grave – but this mis-reporting was especially unfortunate given how closely many folks are scrutinizing the band’s story. Hopefully the press will be more careful from here on in.
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Posted 11 June 2021 - 11:52 AM

These things happen – even the NY Times said it was a mass grave – but this mis-reporting was especially unfortunate given how closely many folks are scrutinizing the band’s story. Hopefully the press will be more careful from here on in.

 

Mayor Helps is quoted as saying "Context changed when those 215 children's bodies were discovered and they (the Lekwungen Nation) are reeling and everybody is reeling," 

 

https://vancouverisl...l-school-deaths



#369 Mike K.

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Posted 11 June 2021 - 12:06 PM

From the city’s release:

“As First Nations mourn and in light of the challenging moment we are in as a Canadian nation following the discovery of the remains of 215 children at a former Residential School, Council has decided to take the time to explore new possibilities, instead of the previously planned virtual Canada Day broadcast,” said Victoria Mayor Lisa Helps.

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#370 Mike K.

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Posted 11 June 2021 - 12:10 PM

UVic released the following press statement on June 3rd:

UNIVERSITY OF VICTORIA EXPERT ADVISORY
June 3, 2021

Experts on mass grave located on Kamloops residential school site

The following University of Victoria experts are available to media for comment about the 215 Indigenous children found by the Tk'emlúps te Secwépemc First Nation in a mass grave on the grounds of Kamloops Indian Residential School, as well as the history and legacy of residential schools, anti-colonial and anti-racist practices, language-learning as acts of love and hope, age-appropriate school curriculum, the Native American political context, and Indigenous laws related to these issues.

Carmen Rodriguez de France (Indigenous Education) is an expert in Indigenous education, teacher training and preparation, and social justice. She can discuss the need to start conversations about inequity and injustice at an early age in the family and through age-appropriate curriculum at school. She is available June 3, 2:30 to 6 p.m. or June 4.

John Borrows (Law) is an expert in Indigenous Law. He is the Canada Research Chair in Indigenous Law and co-founder of the world’s first Indigenous law degree program at UVic. He can discuss the Truth and Reconciliation Commission's Calls to Action, Canadian law dealing with Indigenous peoples and Indigenous peoples' own laws related to these questions. He is available on June 3.

Onowa McIvor (Indigenous Education) is an expert in Indigenous language revitalization, Indigenous education (K-12 and post-secondary), and the history of Indigenous education and language policy in Canada. She can discuss the intersections between Indigenous education, language policy and language revitalization. She can also discuss how the Truth and Reconciliation Commission's Calls to Action can be actualized, the ways language can assist with returning what was taken from our Nations, and the role of residential schools within the larger project of colonization.

Patrick Lozar (History) is a historian and member of the Confederated Salish and Kootenai Tribes. His work focuses on the experiences of Indigenous communities in Interior BC and the Pacific Northwest whose homelands were divided by the Canada-United States border. He can comment on issues related to the histories of residential schools in Canada and the United States, colonialism in North America in general and British Columbia in particular, as well as First Nation and Native American political movements and border issues in the twentieth and twenty-first centuries.

Qwul’sih’yah’maht (Robina Thomas) is UVic’s first associate vice-president, Indigenous. She is a research expert in areas such as Indigenous women, children, residential schools, storytelling, and anti-colonial/anti-racist practices as a way of life. Thomas has extensive knowledge on topics such as the Kuper Island Residential School, Indigenous women and leadership. She is a member of Lyackson First Nation and has Snuy’ney’muxw and Sto:lo ancestry through her grandparents. Thomas holds a faculty position in the School of Social Work, and she was the inaugural director and executive director of the Office of Indigenous Academic and Community.

Ry Moran (Libraries) is an expert on truth and reconciliation in Canada and is the inaugural associate university librarian – reconciliation at UVic. As the former director of statement gathering for the Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada (TRC) and the founding director of the National Centre for Truth and Reconciliation, Moran can discuss the history, origins and legacy of residential schools, the TRC Calls to Action, social memory as it relates to Indigenous people, monuments and statues, systemic racism and discrimination across multiple sectors, and the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
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#371 spanky123

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Posted 11 June 2021 - 12:32 PM

^ Any bets as to whether any of UVIC's 'experts' alerted them to the fact that no mass grave had been found?!


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Posted 11 June 2021 - 12:36 PM

‘The remains discovered recently on the grounds of the former Kamloops Indian Residential School are not in a mass grave, but a series of unmarked graves.

That point of clarification was made on Friday by Tk’emlups te Secwepemc Kukpi7 Rosanne Casimir.

“This is not a mass grave, but rather unmarked burial sites that are, to our knowledge, also undocumented,” she said during a news conference.’

https://www.squamish...-burial-3848382
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#373 spanky123

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Posted 11 June 2021 - 01:03 PM

^ We all realize that, just pointing out how politicians and others are knowingly promoting a false narrative in order to benefit themselves.


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#374 Benezet

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Posted 11 June 2021 - 01:12 PM

^ We all realize that, just pointing out how politicians and others are knowingly promoting a false narrative in order to benefit themselves.


Of course! The discrepancy also resulted in some unfair finger-pointing at the band, even though it was not their doing.

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Posted 11 June 2021 - 01:38 PM

That’s the most egregious part about it all. The band is not responsible but they’re being blamed regardless.

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#376 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 11 June 2021 - 02:24 PM

a lot of things wrong with this TC editorial today.



https://www.timescol...aths-1.24329385


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Posted 11 June 2021 - 02:32 PM

That’s the most egregious part about it all. The band is not responsible but they’re being blamed regardless.

 

Sort of. The band is still saying they have found the graves of dead children as young as 3 and is not disclosing details on how or who did the survey.



#378 Mike K.

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Posted 11 June 2021 - 02:39 PM

True, but they’re not calling their discovery a mass grave, which implies a systemic mass murder or mass death.
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#379 FawltyVic

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Posted 11 June 2021 - 09:27 PM

a lot of things wrong with this TC editorial today.



https://www.timescol...aths-1.24329385

You mean apart from calling for heads to roll?

 

The biggest glaring mistake is lumping in missing and/or murdered aboriginal women into the residential school subject.The cases of women missing and murdered should be handled on a case by case basis and should not be muddled by the word genocide. Genocide is suggesting that either an organization of some sort or Canada as a whole (or it's government) are responsible for their murders or disappearances.

 

In fact, statistics have shown the murder of someone is in most cases committed by a person they know.



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Posted 12 June 2021 - 04:42 AM

Settlement reached on residential school day scholars class-action lawsuit

 

https://www.cbc.ca/n...ement-1.6059661

 

A settlement has been reached in a class-action lawsuit against the federal government involving hundreds of people left out of residential schools compensation.

The lawsuit was brought by Indigenous students known as "day scholars," who attended the notorious residential schools but returned to their homes at night.

 

Crown-Indigenous Relations Minister Carolyn Bennett said the settlement will see survivors receive compensation of $10,000 each.


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