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#401 spanky123

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Posted 14 June 2021 - 08:58 AM

It's not just the few bucks. There is powerful symbolism to not being charged. It demonstrates a wrong is being corrected. 

 

Fair enough but it was still the fee.

 

Looks like Ontario at least already had a waiver for FN.  Change name | Ontario.ca


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#402 spanky123

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Posted 14 June 2021 - 08:59 AM

i also suspect the take-up will be scarce.

 

I would think that a few people would change their names. Without a written language though it may still wind up being an English language translation.



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Posted 14 June 2021 - 04:59 PM

Very good update from Rebel on the status of the Kamloops investigation.

 

Questions remain after discovery of remains of 215 children at Kamloops residential school - Rebel News



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Posted 14 June 2021 - 05:10 PM

Very good update from Rebel on the status of the Kamloops investigation.

 

Questions remain after discovery of remains of 215 children at Kamloops residential school - Rebel News

 

yes that's an excellent report.



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Posted 14 June 2021 - 07:41 PM

^ Highlights:

 

As of last Friday neither the RCMP or the BC Corners office have acknowledged starting any investigation deferring to the band. The "young lady" who did the survey has decided she doesn't want to talk to the RCMP either as apparently she is "afraid". You would think if the researcher had any experience in the field then working with the RCMP would be part of the day to day.


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#406 FawltyVic

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Posted 14 June 2021 - 08:42 PM

^ Highlights:

 

As of last Friday neither the RCMP or the BC Corners office have acknowledged starting any investigation deferring to the band. The "young lady" who did the survey has decided she doesn't want to talk to the RCMP either as apparently she is "afraid". You would think if the researcher had any experience in the field then working with the RCMP would be part of the day to day.

I'm normally an optimist except when it comes to what I read in the news. I've learned, when it comes to media, that some things are either paid advertisements or things are not as they seem. Either someone has a separate agenda or people are behind the scenes pulling strings.

 

I want to see things happen but reading about Canada Day being declared as a day or mourning for residential school children was a red flag to me. I'm unsure what's going to happen. Any other day of the year could've been chosen but the single day that means the most to people who identify as Canadians was picked. Question is, will it be the once or will it be more?


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#407 FawltyVic

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Posted 14 June 2021 - 09:44 PM

If you're like me and you love being updated on what's going on with a story, here's what I've seen so far in the headlines since this morning. And there is a lot of them:

 

Williams Lake First Nation preparing for ground search of former area residential school

https://www.cbc.ca/n...earch-1.6064777

 

 

Manitoba first nation works to identify 104 potential graves at former Brandon residential school

 

https://globalnews.c...-school-graves/

 

 

Vancouver Island bishop apologizes for church’s role in residential schools

 

https://www.pqbnews....ential-schools/

 

 

Quebec, Ottawa name facilitator to help communities with residential school searches

 

https://www.newsopti...ches-1.24329900

 

 

Six Nations requests ‘initial’ $10M in funding to search residential school grounds, calls for ‘full investigation’

 

https://www.thespec....ial-school.html

 

 

Archbishop of Montreal issues apology for residential school system in Quebec

 

https://www.cbc.ca/n...ities-1.6063663

 

 

FSIN calls on Regina archbishop to remove statue of residential school founder in Lebret

https://leaderpost.c...under-in-lebret

 

 

Catholic order that staffed Kamloops residential school refuses to share records families seek

 

https://www.cbc.ca/n...cords-1.6065322

 

 

Residential schools: Communities grapple with what to do with leftover buildings

 

https://bc.ctvnews.c...dings-1.5469768

 

 

'Almost too much to bear': Quebec Cree demand full co-operation on residential school file

 

https://www.cbc.ca/n...eorge-1.6065307

 

 

Archdiocese to remove statue honouring Sask. residential school founder

 

https://regina.ctvne...under-1.5469873

 

 

Calls grow for federal government to review settlement decisions for residential school survivors

 

https://globalnews.c...ent-settlement/

 

 

Name change considered for major Winnipeg roadway, elementary school

 

https://www.aptnnews...mentary-school/

 

 

Ryerson statue head on spike at Land Back Lane small ‘token’ of justice says Skyler Williams

 

https://www.aptnnews...kyler-williams/

 

 

‘Monuments of oppression’ must be torn down to make room for healing, says OKIB chief

 

https://www.aptnnews...ays-okib-chief/


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#408 FawltyVic

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Posted 14 June 2021 - 10:09 PM

Part 2:

 

Canada Day celebrations cancelled in Wilmot Township

 

https://www.cambridg...ilmot-township/

 

 

More calls to cancel Canada Day in Vancouver

 

https://www.citynews...-day-vancouver/

 

 

FSIN backs cancelling Canada Day celebration

 

https://globalnews.c...ay-celebration/


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#409 spanky123

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Posted 15 June 2021 - 07:34 AM

FN and activist groups are certainly moving quickly to get more money and funding.  Even if we never hear another peep from the Kamloops FN the impact of their initial announcement will have been enormous.



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Posted 15 June 2021 - 05:17 PM

The order of nuns that taught at the former Kamloops residential school, and others in B.C., continues to withhold important documents that could help tell the story of how Indigenous children died at the schools over the past 150 years.
 
The Sisters of St. Ann has never approved the release of relevant government records — documents that could relate to deaths at the schools — according to the National Centre for Truth and Reconciliation and the religious order.
 
"It might be because there were things that weren't relevant to the school system or names of those students, as well as other people like visitors," said Sister Marie Zarowny, a St. Ann spokesperson.
 
She also said the sisters have provided some documents to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission about the residential school system, but is unwilling to share some records outlining internal workings of the congregation, as well as what is called the school "narrative."
 
"What is in those documents, why can't I have access to them?" said Bronwyn Shoush, whose father attended St. Mary's residential school in Mission, B.C.
 
Like Kamloops, it was also staffed by the Sisters of St. Ann and administered by the Missionary Oblates of Mary Immaculate.

https://ca.news.yaho...-002833829.html

#411 spanky123

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Posted 15 June 2021 - 07:21 PM

^ You missed this part.

 

The Supreme Court of Canada also ruled in 2017 that thousands of records documenting abuse at residential schools should be destroyed.

In a statement, a spokesperson for Crown-Indigenous Relations said, "As per the terms of the Indian Residential Schools Settlement Agreement, Canada was obligated to disclose all relevant documents to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission."

It goes on to say, "the courts have consistently found that Canada has met its document disclosure obligations and that no further action is required."



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Posted 17 June 2021 - 04:39 AM

^ You missed this part.

 

The Supreme Court of Canada also ruled in 2017 that thousands of records documenting abuse at residential schools should be destroyed.

In a statement, a spokesperson for Crown-Indigenous Relations said, "As per the terms of the Indian Residential Schools Settlement Agreement, Canada was obligated to disclose all relevant documents to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission."

It goes on to say, "the courts have consistently found that Canada has met its document disclosure obligations and that no further action is required."

I'm not sure he did. From what I can read that ruling would only apply to the Government of Canada but not to any documents belonging to an organization like the Sisters of St. Ann's.



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Posted 17 June 2021 - 04:46 AM

This one flew under my radar. Did anyone post about this in another section of the forum?

 

I believe it's tied in to this topic. I believe Ben Isitt has been wanting to do this for years only now because of what\s in the news Victoria City Council (with Isitt) are being brave enough to do this.

 

https://twitter.com/...555865636098049

 

From what I can see it's Victoria City Council and the University of Victoria that are pushing this agenda:

 

https://twitter.com/...420987069915140

 

And here is the scary part:

 

https://twitter.com/...800258090901506


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#414 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 17 June 2021 - 05:03 AM

I’m not so sure it’s “scary”.

“British Columbia” would be a better place to start with a name change though.

Canadian Columbia sounds better.

Seriously though. How about “Green Coast”?

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 17 June 2021 - 05:05 AM.


#415 spanky123

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Posted 17 June 2021 - 06:27 AM

I'm not sure he did. From what I can read that ruling would only apply to the Government of Canada but not to any documents belonging to an organization like the Sisters of St. Ann's.

 

What I was getting at was that the FN themselves wanted the records destroyed as they felt that making them available would revictimize people and open old wounds. Whether those documents sat with the Feds of the church shouldn't make a difference. I think the reason why the FN have changed their tune now is that they know the church doesn't want to turn them over so they can make them out to be a bad actor without actual risk of disclosure.



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Posted 17 June 2021 - 06:29 AM

This one flew under my radar. Did anyone post about this in another section of the forum?

 

 

There has been lots of discussion on the name change. Trutch is easy to change since 60 people live on the street. Even though 95% of the people emotionally distraught over the use of the name Trutch couldn't locate the street on a map and never heard of it until a few weeks ago it still allows people to virtue signal with little risk of any blowback. 


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#417 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 17 June 2021 - 06:33 AM

for the sake of the 60 people that live there can’t they at least some up with a better name than Truth for the hassle the residents will go through?

Diamond Alley would be good.

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Posted 17 June 2021 - 06:34 AM

Trutch was a vile human. He emigrated to BC, made a fortune, screwed over treaty lands and moved back to England. 

 

Now, some of the other guys from that era you can say, eh, par for the course but Trutch was bad even by old standards. He should have known better and that's the standard of judgement that's used.


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#419 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 17 June 2021 - 06:48 AM

trutch is also a poor sounding name. I am all in favour of a change. but make it a good one at least.

truth is lame.

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Posted 17 June 2021 - 07:38 AM

Trutch was a vile human. He emigrated to BC, made a fortune, screwed over treaty lands and moved back to England. 

 

Now, some of the other guys from that era you can say, eh, par for the course but Trutch was bad even by old standards. He should have known better and that's the standard of judgement that's used.

 

Begbie doesn't sound that great in retrospect either. 



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