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#23221 kitty surprise

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Posted 15 September 2021 - 05:16 PM

https://www.msn.com/...-say/ar-AANSSFf

Lack of ID and this - dignity:
« There's got to be a way for these people to access services in a dignified way, where they're not shunned or told to go away because they don't have a passport," she said.« 

 

It's not because they don't have ID. 

 

It's because they don't want to be ID'd.

 

Big difference.

 

Activists claiming "dignity" or whatever other guilt-trip-excuse to try and shame us into letting them carry loaded deadly weapons on their person (a deadly virus is the same as a loaded gun being waved at people walking out of Yates Market) is BS.


Edited by kitty surprise, 15 September 2021 - 05:18 PM.

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#23222 mbjj

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Posted 16 September 2021 - 07:33 AM

We go over to the Fairways in Oak Bay now quite a lot. Every time I go into Oak Bay I try and spend some money, lol. 

 

Not that they've done it recently for obvious reasons, but there used to be ID sessions at the downtown library quite often. Always a huge group of people waiting. 


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#23223 Shelby

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Posted 16 September 2021 - 10:32 AM

We go over to the Fairways in Oak Bay now quite a lot. Every time I go into Oak Bay I try and spend some money, lol. 

 

Not that they've done it recently for obvious reasons, but there used to be ID sessions at the downtown library quite often. Always a huge group of people waiting. 

Exactly! I would much rather drive to OakBay Fairways and pay a little bit more to shop where I feel safe than to run the gauntlet to get into Save-on or Market on yates.


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#23224 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 16 September 2021 - 10:40 AM

do you still need ID to cross through the tweed curtain into Oak Bay?

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 16 September 2021 - 10:40 AM.


#23225 Nparker

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Posted 16 September 2021 - 10:44 AM

do you still need ID to cross through the tweed curtain into Oak Bay?

No, but you need to offer proof of having had an English accent.



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Posted 16 September 2021 - 11:04 AM

Exactly! I would much rather drive to OakBay Fairways and pay a little bit more to shop where I feel safe than to run the gauntlet to get into Save-on or Market on yates.

 

You'd probably pay less at Fairways anyways!



#23227 On the Level

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Posted 16 September 2021 - 04:45 PM

OUR PLACE TEMPORARILY CLOSES DUE TO SAFETY CONCERNS

 

 

"We've been facing a bit of an uptick in hostile behaviour, some violence towards staff, so we really thought we needed to take a minute to just see how we were doing things operationally at the drop-in," he said.

 

Previously, Our Place had a "wide open" door for anyone who wanted to use its courtyard or indoor drop-in services. Now, the centre may scale back that policy and have "more of a secure entry," said Cooper.

 

I don't understand.  I thought this was as easy as free homes and drugs.

 

https://www.iheartra...erns-1.16088781


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#23228 rmpeers

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Posted 16 September 2021 - 04:47 PM

OUR PLACE TEMPORARILY CLOSES DUE TO SAFETY CONCERNS


I don't understand. I thought this was as easy as free homes and drugs.

https://www.iheartra...erns-1.16088781


Has it ever been this bad before?

#23229 rmpeers

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Posted 16 September 2021 - 04:48 PM

OUR PLACE TEMPORARILY CLOSES DUE TO SAFETY CONCERNS


I don't understand. I thought this was as easy as free homes and drugs.

https://www.iheartra...erns-1.16088781


Has it ever been this bad before?

#23230 pontcanna

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Posted 16 September 2021 - 05:53 PM

Facing Rising Violence, Open Door Closes for a Day
 
Sept. 16, 2021
 
It’s usually an open door for the city’s most vulnerable but on Thursday Our Place Society, in the 900-block of Pandora Avenue, took the drastic step of locking its gates due to a rise in violence.

“This was based on some increases we’ve been seeing in levels of violence and aggression and also you know trying to get people to adhere to mask policies,” said Our Place Director of Services Jordan Cooper.
 

 


#23231 A Girl is No one

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Posted 16 September 2021 - 06:58 PM

OUR PLACE TEMPORARILY CLOSES DUE TO SAFETY CONCERNS


I don't understand. I thought this was as easy as free homes and drugs.

https://www.iheartra...erns-1.16088781

Isn’t it run by social workers?

#23232 kitty surprise

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Posted 16 September 2021 - 07:31 PM

Isn’t it run by social workers?


If Social Workers can't handle Our Place, then how is the Peer Assisted Crisis Team (PACT) which consists of Social Workers even feasible?!
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#23233 rmpeers

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Posted 16 September 2021 - 07:35 PM

If Social Workers can't handle Our Place, then how is the Peer Assisted Crisis Team (PACT) which consists of Social Workers even feasible?!


I recommend that a special crisis team of Helps, Isitt, Loveday, Dubow and Potts be dispatched to handle all incidents.
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#23234 On the Level

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Posted 16 September 2021 - 09:52 PM

Isn’t it run by social workers?

 

There are lots of great people there working their hearts out, but I don't know there is a structured qualification to work there other than trying to do good.  Certain positions like nurses for sure, but the rest I don't know.

 

The traditional problem with Our Place it isn't how much they try, it's been the lack of a holistic view realizing you can't alienate those around you to maintain credibility.  I am seeing changes to address that and bring the community with them. We'll see if it goes far enough to be balanced.


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#23235 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 17 September 2021 - 02:57 AM

https://www.vicnews....ntre-for-a-day/

Our Place Society in Victoria sends strong message by closing drop-in centre for a day

CEO cites need to ‘regroup’ amid rising levels of COVID, mask non-compliance and violent incidents

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 17 September 2021 - 02:58 AM.


#23236 Daveyboy

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Posted 17 September 2021 - 06:17 AM

^^

My guess would be that hired staff are so sick and tired of the daily violence and abuse that they are going to walk out en masse.  Management is desperate for that to not happen so hoping to send a message to clients.  But you can't instantly change behaviour that you have more or less tolerated for years.


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#23237 rmpeers

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Posted 17 September 2021 - 10:28 AM

^^
My guess would be that hired staff are so sick and tired of the daily violence and abuse that they are going to walk out en masse. Management is desperate for that to not happen so hoping to send a message to clients. But you can't instantly change behaviour that you have more or less tolerated for years.


I am more concerned by suggestions that staff in some housing facilities have reportedly enabled criminal behaviour, etc. Until that's addressed the perception will still be that this is city that welcomes criminal behaviour.
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#23238 Shelby

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Posted 17 September 2021 - 11:32 AM

do you still need ID to cross through the tweed curtain into Oak Bay?

No, just say chesterfield alot and leave the c out of schedule.


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#23239 mbjj

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Posted 17 September 2021 - 02:20 PM

No, just say chesterfield alot and leave the c out of schedule.

 

No, just say chesterfield alot and leave the c out of schedule.

That's what I called it growing up, lol. We never ever said "couch" and neither did any one of our friends. Most Canadians back then called it a chesterfield. 



#23240 JimV

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Posted 17 September 2021 - 06:35 PM

Exactly! I would much rather drive to OakBay Fairways and pay a little bit more to shop where I feel safe than to run the gauntlet to get into Save-on or Market on yates.

I go to the Market fairly often, usually at 7 when it opens.  I’ve never felt any sense of danger but almost every time I see some drug addled street guy slumped on a nearby corner or twitching and jerking.  There is often a police car or wagon parked nearby.



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