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#23561 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 16 January 2022 - 07:26 PM

Edmonton:

 

 

A city report released Tuesday found that there are 2,800 people without housing in Edmonton, which is the most since 2014 and twice as many as in 2019.

 

About 1,600 of those people are considered "preliminarily housed," meaning they are staying with friends and family or temporarily finding space without a secure lease.

 

Roughly 1,200 overnight shelter beds are needed in Edmonton – but officials found there were only 713 spaces available on Oct. 1 – and more may be lost because of uncertain funding.

 

 

https://edmonton.ctv...many as in 2019.

 

 

Edmonton has over 10x our population (981,000) and only 1,200 homeless.  While we have over 2,000.


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Posted 16 January 2022 - 07:31 PM

Winnipeg:

 

 

 

During this 24-hour snapshot, the group counted 1,127 people experiencing homeless in Winnipeg. This included 370 people who were unsheltered; 54 people at encampments; 300 people staying at emergency shelters; 229 people at 24-7 safe spaces; and 174 in transitional housing.

 

 

 

So 1,127 in Winnipeg, a city of 750,000.



#23563 LJ

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Posted 16 January 2022 - 07:31 PM

Researchers in the US are developing a vaccine that will counter the effects of opioids.

 

I wonder how many of our "homeless" population would willingly get a vaccine?

 

Maybe require a vaccine passport to access shelter?

 

https://search.yahoo... opioid vaccine


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Posted 16 January 2022 - 07:35 PM

Prince George, a city of 74,000 had 163 homeless last year.

 

 

 

https://www.vmcdn.ca...eport-final.pdf


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Posted 16 January 2022 - 07:37 PM

One of the most expensive places in Canada.

Limited land - water on 3 sides.

Tax revenues under pressure from pet projects and pandemic recession.

Yet government insists all who come get housed.

Ok, then if everyone who wants to be housed gets housed (paid for by scarce taxes),

Then why does that housing have to be here?

In today's pandemic recession, to insist providing housing in expensive places like here, is not just fiscally irresponsible, it's insulting, cruel - even vindictive.

If I have no choice but to pay for housing for all, at least let me have say in how to spend that money as wisely as possible.

We can house 20 people in Prince George for what it costs to house 1 person here. Why are our taxes being squandered?

Stephen Andrew, are you reading this?
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#23566 JimV

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Posted 16 January 2022 - 07:56 PM

- good climate

- radical “progressive” city government

- kid glove policing 

- catch and release courts

- apathetic and deluded voters

 

= “homeless” problem.  Pretty much the same as the cities down the west coast of the U.S.  Nothing is going to change until and unless the voters wake up.


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#23567 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 16 January 2022 - 07:59 PM

Calgary - population 1.3 million.

 

 

 

“Knowing that there are approximately 1,200 people per night staying in a homeless shelter in Calgary is only understanding a small part of the problem,” said Ron Kneebone, scientific director of social policy and health research at the School of Public Policy.

 

 

 

https://globalnews.c...homeless-study/



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Posted 16 January 2022 - 08:02 PM

King County, WA.  Population 2.25M.

 

 

 

In 2019, volunteers counted 11,751 people experiencing homelessness in King County, which was a 5% increase from 2018. 

 

 

https://www.king5.co...d7-7e6b6cd881ca

 

 

 

If we had the same rate as King County, we'd have just 481 homeless.  We have more than four times that.


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Posted 16 January 2022 - 08:07 PM

Portland:

 

 

screenshot-www.tprojects.org-2022.01.16-23_05_19.png

 

https://www.tproject...ut-homelessness

 

 

Multnomah County population:  813,000.  About 9x our population.  And only 2x as many homeless.  


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Posted 17 January 2022 - 08:39 AM

This post had to be approved from a new member. I’m quoting it below so everyone can see it (it’s from a bit back in the conservation):

I obtained a list of all the BC Housing sites and operators in the CRD in 2020 and number of units to look at what the numbers were like and how it is distributed across the CRD. Not sure if this helps with compiling the info. the number of units is still accurate, but it does not have Tiny Town in north park and it does not include other housing that is not BC Housing (IE. John Howard has a housing site in Burnside Gorge), it does include the hotels. Hopefully this link works

https://drive.google...iew?usp=sharing


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Posted 17 January 2022 - 08:44 AM

Victoria has about 23% of the CRD's population but 91% of its homeless shelters.


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Posted 17 January 2022 - 08:46 AM

Victoria has 80% of south Island crime and 0% of local prisons.
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Posted 17 January 2022 - 09:01 AM

Victoria has 80% of south Island crime and 0% of local prisons.

 

I'm not sure if that is a reasonable comparison.  First, Victoria does not have 80% of the crime.  Saanich has at least 30% of south Island crime and has no courthouses.



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Posted 17 January 2022 - 10:06 AM

Oh I know, I'm just joking around.


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Posted 17 January 2022 - 10:39 AM

^ yeah, stop comparing Victoria and Saanich. That's an amalgamation issue, not a homeless issue. The homeless in these big cities are generally concentrated in certain areas as well, and if those cities were split into 13 differerent municipalities, they would have the same 'issue' as here.



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Posted 17 January 2022 - 10:55 AM

^ yeah, stop comparing Victoria and Saanich. That's an amalgamation issue, not a homeless issue. The homeless in these big cities are generally concentrated in certain areas as well, and if those cities were split into 13 differerent municipalities, they would have the same 'issue' as here.

 

I DO NOT believe that is the case.   There is almost no way that a larger city would jam all the homeless into a small portion of their city.


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#23577 lanforod

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Posted 17 January 2022 - 11:28 AM

No? Look at Vancouver. if the downtown area of Vancouver were a separate city from the other areas such as kits, marpole etc, the homeless population would be jammed mostly into downtown relative to the other 'municipalities'.



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Posted 17 January 2022 - 11:38 AM

No? Look at Vancouver. if the downtown area of Vancouver were a separate city from the other areas such as kits, marpole etc, the homeless population would be jammed mostly into downtown relative to the other 'municipalities'.

 

 
Shelters in GREEN:
 
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Same scale:
 
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Posted 17 January 2022 - 01:29 PM

Victoria and Vancouver have enough homeless shelters period.  It’s time to build homeless shelters in the communities where these people originate from . The practice of sending homeless out west for greener pastures should never have been encouraged.

People will always travel on their  own .Camaro man drove  here from Alberta with no insurance did wheelies in the park then was quietly given free housing . Not acceptable.
There  should be a wait list for any service we can legally impose a wait list on  other than a mat on the floor and basic meals .Take some of the power out of the hands of the poverty industry. They’re in over their heads and they know it .
Get the word out the freebies have stopped enforcement has been beefed up it’s not the homeless paradise it once was. 

It’s time to change our focus .If we want to help let’s look to other groups that need a hand up .


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Posted 17 January 2022 - 02:06 PM

Victoria and Vancouver have enough homeless shelters period.  

 

This isn't a housing issue, it's a mental health and addiction issue.  You can build as many shelters as you want and a good chunk of the street population won't live in them.  Building shelters where the homeless do not want to live isn't going to fix anything.

 

The issue is leaving decisions to those that are so ill that they cannot look after themselves.  47 years after "one flew over to cuckoo's nest" we have what we have today.


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