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#18321 rmpeers

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Posted 29 June 2020 - 01:23 PM

BC’s plans to place heavily drug addicted youth into compulsory medical facilities for up to seven days are being called insensitive by child welfare advocates due to the parallels with residential schools. Many youth with substance abuse issues are First Nations, the advocates say.


Can't understand why these advocates are so keen to keep people, even young people, addicted to a lethal lifestyle. Not *everything* is racist, ffs. With advocates like this, who needs enemies. Do these people get handed envelopes of cash by drug gangs every week? If not, what other explanation? And then to have a sad cult of fanatic zombies as our mayor and council, blindly taking orders from these morons, it's just sick and cruel...
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#18322 spanky123

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Posted 29 June 2020 - 02:44 PM

Can't understand why these advocates are so keen to keep people, even young people, addicted to a lethal lifestyle. Not *everything* is racist, ffs. With advocates like this, who needs enemies. Do these people get handed envelopes of cash by drug gangs every week? If not, what other explanation? And then to have a sad cult of fanatic zombies as our mayor and council, blindly taking orders from these morons, it's just sick and cruel...

 

So residential schools were an effort by the BC Government to bring badly needed help to the population and improve outcomes?



#18323 RPPB

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Posted 29 June 2020 - 04:53 PM

Ed Macgregor Park in Sooke today. An RCMP officer arrived as we were leaving.

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#18324 JimV

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Posted 29 June 2020 - 05:03 PM

Does anyone know whether Friends of Beacon Hill Park is still alive?  I checked their web page today to see if there was anything about the current disaster.  No, there wasn’t.  The site looked really dated.  The last newsletter was 2002 (!!)

 

I am wondering about the possibility of taking legal action against the city for it’s obvious violation of the covenant.  


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#18325 rmpeers

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Posted 29 June 2020 - 05:12 PM

Does anyone know whether Friends of Beacon Hill Park is still alive? I checked their web page today to see if there was anything about the current disaster. No, there wasn’t. The site looked really dated. The last newsletter was 2002 (!!)

I am wondering about the possibility of taking legal action against the city for it’s obvious violation of the covenant.


They are, and are apparently not thrilled by latest CoV moves, but feel their hands are tied, I gather.

#18326 JimV

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Posted 29 June 2020 - 06:10 PM

They are, and are apparently not thrilled by latest CoV moves, but feel their hands are tied, I gather.

Do you know why exactly they feel that way?  Have they examined the legal dimensions of a prospective case?


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Posted 29 June 2020 - 06:53 PM

BC’s plans to place heavily drug addicted youth into compulsory medical facilities for up to seven days are being called insensitive by child welfare advocates due to the parallels with residential schools. Many youth with substance abuse issues are First Nations, the advocates say.

 

First off now we have "child welfare advocates" suggesting that putting someone into the hospital is a parallel to residential schools?

 

So the "sensitive" thing to do is to let them wander away and further harm themselves?  Instead of being naive and being overly sensitive, try some common sense and be "sensible".  


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#18328 rmpeers

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Posted 29 June 2020 - 09:28 PM

Do you know why exactly they feel that way? Have they examined the legal dimensions of a prospective case?


Not sure about that. You may want to drop them a line.

#18329 Mike K.

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Posted 30 June 2020 - 06:56 AM

RPPB, I think there are about eight or nine tents in that image. Were tents also outside of the band stand?

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Posted 30 June 2020 - 06:58 AM

A couple of weeks ago someone from the Friends was on CFAX. They said they've been inundated with emails of complaints about the park. I really wish some lawyer or other would take this case on. I believe the covenant has words to the effect that the park is "for the enjoyment of all citizens". Well clearly it isn't now. I don't enjoy wondering what I might encounter or step in when I go there.


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#18331 aastra

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Posted 30 June 2020 - 07:48 AM

Don't quote me but weren't all legal options to protect the park effectively toasted in the 2000s when the authorities in their wisdom finally overruled Begbie's inconvenient reference to "purposes of utility"? The spirit of Begbie's 19th-century ruling was that the park should remain a park regardless of any insistence by future governments that their circumstances were too extreme and unprecedented to allow it to remain a park. This is why he specifically mentioned misuses like military barracks, sanatoriums, asylums, and cemeteries. And this is also why the park was blatantly hijacked a few decades later during WW1 for military barracks.

 

Come on, could this endless assault on BHP be any more blatant? Is there some shortage of land or something? I guess there must be, if the crown jewel city park is always the target (~140 years running).


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#18332 aastra

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Posted 30 June 2020 - 08:11 AM

 

Ed Macgregor Park in Sooke today.

 

I never thought I'd see the day when people would be camping in Sooke. I guess they have no choice but to camp on the stage in the park because suitable camping locations are so few and far between in that part of town? Very dense area, as we all know.


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#18333 RPPB

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Posted 30 June 2020 - 08:57 AM

RPPB, I think there are about eight or nine tents in that image. Were tents also outside of the band stand?


1 large new tent with a rain tarp over it on the grass apart from the others. Nothing at all in the trees and little to no garbage nearby.
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#18334 spanky123

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Posted 30 June 2020 - 04:48 PM

Now that they have pressured the Government for hotels, the regular bunch of local loons want free housing for everyone who wants it and urge you to support them.

 

https://docs.google....p2hZFA/viewform



#18335 On the Level

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Posted 30 June 2020 - 05:01 PM

Now that they have pressured the Government for hotels, the regular bunch of local loons want free housing for everyone who wants it and urge you to support them.

 

https://docs.google....p2hZFA/viewform

 

 

- Focus economic recovery stimulus spending on building a robust non-market housing system. Within six to 12 months, provide permanent non-market housing[4] with health and social care as needed, to everyone in BC experiencing homelessness - including women, trans and gender diverse people, including those who are escaping domestic violence and including those who do sex work - by converting hotels, motels, apartments, office buildings, and any other appropriate properties into non-market housing, as well as building permanent, high-quality, energy-efficient homes affordable to people who live on income support and minimum wage jobs. 

 
- Cancel rent debt that has been incurred as a result of lost incomes, and suspend rent for the remainder of the state of emergency. Prevent a mass eviction, foreclosure and homelessness crisis by freezing mortgage payments, extending the ban on evictions and rent increases, and connecting rent control to the unit instead of the tenant.

 

I see the usual set of CoV Councillors are part of this, along with the "UBC Social Justice Centre".

 

So funny to see that there was no cost or logistics associated with this. They stated that there are 8,000 homeless and "probably double this". So we need to build and run 16,000 units. Then we have thrown on an "as well" at the end of the rambling request to to build housing for those making minimum wage and on income support. How many units is this? What is the capital cost and what is the operating cost?

 

We are also going to "Cancel rent debt". How does this work? Mom and Dan have rented their basement and now can't pay their mortgage because someone in the "UBC Social Justice Centre"  has waived their magic wand?  Oh....they have that covered though because they can just go "freezing mortgage payments".

 

What on earth is going on at UVIC and UBC to produce something one would expect from an Elementary School student?


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#18336 A Girl is No one

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Posted 30 June 2020 - 06:11 PM

So Potts, Dubow and Isitt signed this. Of course.

One thing that strikes me is how many different agencies seemingly doing the same thing/serving the same population there are. And this list only includes a fraction of them.

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Posted 30 June 2020 - 06:23 PM

Nobody with any sense would ever take legal action against the City of Victoria for disobeying what is ultimately a simple property covenant - especially in light of the B.C. Supreme Court finding that put all the campers in Beacon Hill Park in the first place.

There's simply not win to be had in such an undertaking.

The only modification the COV has made to the Supreme Court finding is to allow the tents to remain up during the day, presumably for social distancing and self isolating purposes.

 

Taking the COV to court, and using the park covenant as your primary bit of evidence is a guaranteed loss for whomever brings the case against the COV, for the reasons noted above.


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Posted 30 June 2020 - 06:32 PM

“Cancel rent debt that has been incurred as a result of lost incomes, and suspend rent for the remainder of the state of emergency. Prevent a mass eviction, foreclosure and homelessness crisis by freezing mortgage payments, extending the ban on evictions and rent increases, and connecting rent control to the unit instead of the tenant.”

Could someone please explain to me what “Cancel rent debt” means? Does that mean the landlord eats unpaid rents or does the government jump in and pay them?

What does “freezing mortgage payments” mean? Does that mean deferring the payment but adding the interest to the balance?

The rest I understand...its the end of investment in rental housing.

The people that drafted this hideous manifesto think that rental housing grows on trees.
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#18339 aastra

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Posted 30 June 2020 - 09:03 PM

 

...especially in light of the B.C. Supreme Court finding that put all the campers in Beacon Hill Park in the first place.

 

Compelling evidence, but I'm still convinced the current generation of CoV politicians were somehow responsible for putting the barracks in BHP during WW1.


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Posted 30 June 2020 - 09:37 PM

Perhaps we should start a thread for uninformed emotional ramblings from UVIC and UBC professors and staff.  


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