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#18341 JimV

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Posted 01 July 2020 - 02:58 PM

Nobody with any sense would ever take legal action against the City of Victoria for disobeying what is ultimately a simple property covenant - especially in light of the B.C. Supreme Court finding that put all the campers in Beacon Hill Park in the first place.

There's simply not win to be had in such an undertaking.

The only modification the COV has made to the Supreme Court finding is to allow the tents to remain up during the day, presumably for social distancing and self isolating purposes.

 

Taking the COV to court, and using the park covenant as your primary bit of evidence is a guaranteed loss for whomever brings the case against the COV, for the reasons noted above.

I expect you are right about that (though I don’t know if anyone has ever contemplated an appeal to the SCC of Hinkson’s idiotic decision.) His decision was based on the Charter, which takes it far beyond a property covenant.

 

Council, however, has constructively extended that ruling by its recent vote not to enforce the bylaw re daytime camping.  It basically ensures a full time shantytown in the park.  Social distancing and self isolation are flimsy and unconvincing reasons.  Anyone who observes the park will understand that there’s no such thing going on there.  The strip of tents along Douglas is party central.  Probably the encampment along the ridge near Southgate too.  It also raises the question of arbitrary enforcement of bylaws, a slippery slope.

 

The best solution is to get rid of these zombies on council.  I certainly hope that the 10,000 people that signed the petition will turn out to do that in the next election.  The byelection, if we ever have one, would be a good time to test the waters.


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#18342 mbjj

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Posted 01 July 2020 - 07:05 PM

Every time we go down Douglas beside South Park school, the encampment has grown. In past years I'm sure that piece of grass was watered and kept green in the summer. Will sprinklers be used this year to prevent dangerous dried grass? Every time I hear the fire trucks headed down towards the park, I worry "is this a fire in the park?".


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#18343 LJ

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Posted 01 July 2020 - 07:34 PM

^Rather than worry you should be hoping.


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#18344 On the Level

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Posted 01 July 2020 - 09:02 PM

^I'm not hoping there is a fire.  Let's not forget that these people are suffering much more than they would otherwise because of CoV and UVIC ideology.  


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Posted 02 July 2020 - 06:36 AM

From Oak Bay Police this morning: Y'day was Canada Day. 🇨🇦 By 6:45am, a member had chatted with 2 women, 1 from Alberta & the other from PEI. Both have now decided to live in Greater Victoria. One had warrants from Westshore for Assault and B&E to a Residence. She was arrested. Sadly, both have a meth addiction.
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#18346 Nparker

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Posted 02 July 2020 - 06:52 AM

Free housing and a steady supply of drugs? What addict wouldn't want to make the trek to Victoria?


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#18347 mbjj

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Posted 02 July 2020 - 07:11 AM

Like I keep saying to my husband, every Tom, Dick and Harriet is coming here.

 

Good letters in the paper today about Beacon Hill Park. Yesterday as we drove along Southgate, I noticed the "home" under the juniper tree is expanding. Before, you could only see the white leather chair if you walked pretty close by. Now the housewares are spilling out from under the branches.



#18348 aastra

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Posted 02 July 2020 - 07:43 AM

 

Before, you could only see the white leather chair if you walked pretty close by. Now the housewares are spilling out from under the branches.

 

I've made this observation before re: other issues (heritage preservation, etc.), but if this is what Victorians are doing when they're so ultra-concerned about green spaces and the environment, then I sure don't want to know what they would be doing if they were openly contemptuous of green spaces and the environment. (But I suspect flamethrowers would somehow be involved.)


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#18349 spanky123

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Posted 02 July 2020 - 08:02 AM

From Oak Bay Police this morning: Y'day was Canada Day. By 6:45am, a member had chatted with 2 women, 1 from Alberta & the other from PEI. Both have now decided to live in Greater Victoria. One had warrants from Westshore for Assault and B&E to a Residence. She was arrested. Sadly, both have a meth addiction.

 

Good on the Oak Bay PD for calling out what we all already know. Our "housing crisis" is manufactured by Victoria council and the poverty pimps. 

 

After months of delays and excuses, the 'Coalition' now says that they will release the results of March's homeless count in July.  4 months should have been enough time to "review" the tallies.


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#18350 Love the rock

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Posted 02 July 2020 - 08:43 AM

Good on the Oak Bay PD for calling out what we all already know. Our "housing crisis" is manufactured by Victoria council and the poverty pimps. 

 

After months of delays and excuses, the 'Coalition' now says that they will release the results of March's homeless count in July.  4 months should have been enough time to "review" the tallies.

The list is just a joke as far as I’m concerned. New local homeless from where . Why the hell would anyone believe the homeless if they felt they could benefit by lying. As for the poverty pimps all the list does is cement more money and job security. It amounts to Christmas bonus time . It’s all sickening .


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#18351 A Girl is No one

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Posted 02 July 2020 - 08:59 AM

Good on the Oak Bay PD for calling out what we all already know. Our "housing crisis" is manufactured by Victoria council and the poverty pimps.

After months of delays and excuses, the 'Coalition' now says that they will release the results of March's homeless count in July. 4 months should have been enough time to "review" the tallies.

They probably explained to them that the red carpet only extends to the city of Victoria and not Oak Bay and maybe even gave them a ride back to the border.

#18352 rmpeers

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Posted 02 July 2020 - 09:19 AM

From Oak Bay Police this morning: Y'day was Canada Day. 🇨🇦 By 6:45am, a member had chatted with 2 women, 1 from Alberta & the other from PEI. Both have now decided to live in Greater Victoria. One had warrants from Westshore for Assault and B&E to a Residence. She was arrested. Sadly, both have a meth addiction.


Is this type of thing why they aren't releasing the homelessness survey?

#18353 rmpeers

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Posted 02 July 2020 - 09:24 AM

Good on the Oak Bay PD for calling out what we all already know. Our "housing crisis" is manufactured by Victoria council and the poverty pimps.

After months of delays and excuses, the 'Coalition' now says that they will release the results of March's homeless count in July. 4 months should have been enough time to "review" the tallies.


The spin will at least provide unintentional comic relief. My favorite, from a few years back was where they assured us that a minority of Victoria's unhoused had moved here in the past year... then when you parsed the numbers, it was like 300+ people were new arrivals in the past year.

Having such a hugely disproportionate number of homeless people in a small area is clearly not good for anyone, least of all the homeless.

Great for the drug dealers though... curious how they always benefit...
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#18354 Nparker

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Posted 02 July 2020 - 09:32 AM

...Having such a hugely disproportionate number of homeless people in a small area is clearly not good for anyone, least of all the homeless. Great for the drug dealers though... curious how they always benefit...

I am sure the dealers like the low-barrier shelters and the current hotel acquisitions. Strolling along a hallway makes doing business much more pleasant than having to stand on a street corner in the rain or crawl through bushes to reach your customers. Win-win!

 

Housing first!!!!


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#18355 A Girl is No one

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Posted 02 July 2020 - 10:07 AM

The list is just a joke as far as I’m concerned. New local homeless from where . Why the hell would anyone believe the homeless if they felt they could benefit by lying. As for the poverty pimps all the list does is cement more money and job security. It amounts to Christmas bonus time . It’s all sickening .

During the court house tent city days it was easy to find the « residents » on Facebook and see that so many had just arrived from other areas of the country. Many news articles also quoted people they interviewed in the tent city as having just recently arrived to Victoria via ferry/bus tickets provided to them by other communities, agencies and even Vancouver police.
When local people started to protest the need to provide assistance to newly arrived residents (who often skipped ahead of some who had been waiting for a long time here in Victoria) they learned to adjust their stories. That’s what I saw.
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#18356 spanky123

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Posted 02 July 2020 - 10:25 AM

During the court house tent city days it was easy to find the « residents » on Facebook and see that so many had just arrived from other areas of the country. Many news articles also quoted people they interviewed in the tent city as having just recently arrived to Victoria via ferry/bus tickets provided to them by other communities, agencies and even Vancouver police.
When local people started to protest the need to provide assistance to newly arrived residents (who often skipped ahead of some who had been waiting for a long time here in Victoria) they learned to adjust their stories. That’s what I saw.

 

There have long been rumours that some recipients of the various CoV gravy train of community funding projects are in fact using the money to support activist causes or other groups. I would not at all be surprised if the City indirectly is paying for many of these tickets.


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#18357 Love the rock

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Posted 02 July 2020 - 12:11 PM

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Whats the use .


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#18358 mbjj

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Posted 02 July 2020 - 01:32 PM

I was working at the library during the courthouse tent city. All those young, fit "residents" came in to use the internet, update their social media I guess. They all smelled of wood smoke. Chrissy used to come in too. When the tent city disappeared, so did they. Off to greener pastures I guess.


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#18359 rmpeers

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Posted 02 July 2020 - 03:27 PM

The Save Beacon Hill petition now has pretty much the same number of signatures as the mayor got votes last election. This is the moment when staffers would typically say, "Your majesty, you may want to consider a different course of action."
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#18360 Nparker

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Posted 02 July 2020 - 04:01 PM

The Save Beacon Hill petition now has pretty much the same number of signatures as the mayor got votes last election. This is the moment when staffers would typically say, "Your majesty, you may want to consider a different course of action."

Instead they allow Her Worseship to double-down on her lunacy.


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