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#19721 martini

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 09:56 PM

The alleged management of the recently acquired housing units would be laughable if it wasn't my tax dollars funding it.

Just before the 14 minute mark...Mr Smith talks about the lottery. They just randomly scooped people up in a hour? 

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#19722 Victoria Watcher

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Posted Yesterday, 04:24 AM

A person who was moved from a tent on Pandora Avenue into the Howard Johnson hotel, which is housing people experiencing homelessness, said he recently moved out because of the violence and drug use.

“I am an addict,” said the man named Darcy. “I don’t want to be and I cannot quit when I am in that environment. This one is uncontrolled, so of course there is drugs, booze, prostitution, violence, thievery.”



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#19723 aastra

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Posted Yesterday, 08:45 AM

How many times have we seen quotes like that in news stories over the years? People plainly stating that they don't want to use support services because the environments are dangerous or exploitative, etc. We've seen people express concerns about physical safety, sexual assault, gangs... over and over again. The authorities are constantly stressing the "community" aspect, but real people are constantly pointing out how counterproductive & dangerous the supposed "community" really is.

 

Ensuring safety and security in these environments would be job #1 if this mission were anything close to legitimate. Zero chance for assault, zero chance for sexual assault, zero chance for robbery, zero chance for exposure to gangs or drug dealers or pimps, etc.


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#19724 Nparker

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Posted Yesterday, 09:10 AM

#housingfirstandnothingmore



#19725 TwilightZoneVictoria

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Posted Yesterday, 11:11 AM

Just before the 14 minute mark...Mr Smith talks about the lottery. They just randomly scooped people up in a hour? 

https://www.facebook...278618936712764

Not sure I'd believe exactly what he says. Have heard and seen enough to not believe that he tells the entire truth. 

Wonder if his background disqualified he and others from the initial housing. If so and BC Housing staff didn't tell them that's why they weren't chosen then it might seem like a lottery. They seem surprised of why people might feel uncomfortable around him. Or perhaps that's part of the ruse. 


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#19726 TwilightZoneVictoria

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Posted Yesterday, 11:15 AM

How many times have we seen quotes like that in news stories over the years? People plainly stating that they don't want to use support services because the environments are dangerous or exploitative, etc. We've seen people express concerns about physical safety, sexual assault, gangs... over and over again. The authorities are constantly stressing the "community" aspect, but real people are constantly pointing out how counterproductive & dangerous the supposed "community" really is.

 

Ensuring safety and security in these environments would be job #1 if this mission were anything close to legitimate. Zero chance for assault, zero chance for sexual assault, zero chance for robbery, zero chance for exposure to gangs or drug dealers or pimps, etc.

There's the concept of Housing First which is that unless you have a secure home (basic need) you can't even try to address other issues. But it doesn't take into account the mass congregation of the very thing that a person wishing to escape shouldn't be around. Housing a bunch of these people in one geographic area doesn't work. Would work better if it could happen in smaller facilities in their home communities. 


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#19727 TwilightZoneVictoria

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Posted Yesterday, 11:23 AM

But that means he moved here from Edmonton.  I thought the PIT survey said all homeless people are from Victoria originally :confused:

That survey doesn't say that, industry advocates say that.

 

It's done every 2 years and the categories are less than 2 and then 2-5 years etc. 

 

Not to mention that the survey says they counted 1500 homeless but have data on only 800 and some.

 

If the percentages are adjusted for that 800 that they actually have data for the % will be higher.


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#19728 Rob Randall

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Posted Yesterday, 11:39 AM

Ensuring safety and security in these environments would be job #1 if this mission were anything close to legitimate. Zero chance for assault, zero chance for sexual assault, zero chance for robbery, zero chance for exposure to gangs or drug dealers or pimps, etc.

 

Remember the olden days of the Cormorant needle exchange? You had a permanent cluster of anti-social activity just a couple of metres beside the entrance to the Pacifica Housing apartments, filled with residents that had some degree of stability in their lives, enough to get their own place. Then they have to navigate a drug supermarket just to enter their home.


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#19729 spanky123

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Posted Yesterday, 11:49 AM

PHS used to (may still have) have its 'sober' clients on the third floor while the junkies lived on one and two. 



#19730 martini

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Posted Yesterday, 12:47 PM

There's the concept of Housing First which is that unless you have a secure home (basic need) you can't even try to address other issues. But it doesn't take into account the mass congregation of the very thing that a person wishing to escape shouldn't be around. Housing a bunch of these people in one geographic area doesn't work. Would work better if it could happen in smaller facilities in their home communities. 

Seems we've known this model hasn't worked for decades, yet here we are. 

I remember when the shelter was to go in Rock Bay. We argued that fact back then. 

Nothing has changed except a thriving homeless 'industry'. which will be defended fiercely. 


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#19731 rmpeers

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Posted Yesterday, 02:36 PM

Seems we've known this model hasn't worked for decades, yet here we are.
I remember when the shelter was to go in Rock Bay. We argued that fact back then.
Nothing has changed except a thriving homeless 'industry'. which will be defended fiercely.


It's hard to interpret the current approach as anything other than an attempt to keep that industry going, whatever the cost.
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