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#1121 spanky123

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 05:10 PM

It is kind of funny that after taking every conceivable step to set the stage for an increase in crime in Victoria, that our mayor and council would then bemoan the lack of resources and want other munis to pitch in.

 

I wouldn't let Del Manak off the hook here. He is the one was has said in public words to the effect that the police are not going to enforce drug dealing or possession laws unless organized crime is involved.



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Posted 07 September 2019 - 10:32 PM

I think this is Issit's way of trying to say screw you to the "When kids don't play nice in the sandbox" provincial correction.  Issit wants less police presence period.

 

As far as costs go, I am trying to pull together a like for like comparison of financials between municipalities in the CRD including Policing.  Businesses pay 47% of the property tax bill in Victoria vs 23% in Saanich (as one would expect), but then we see property taxes only bring in 57% of Victoria's budget.  Victoria has other revenue streams like parking etc etc. I would like to compare the municipal reports to see a cost benefit comparison.  My belief is that regardless of policing cost,  citizens of Victoria are seeing an overall subsidy to their tax base.  This is being hidden by reckless spending by the CoV council.



#1123 Mike K.

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 06:17 AM

The CoV has a $250 million annual budget.

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 06:34 AM

The CoV has a $250 million annual budget.

 

I'm not much good at math, but if I'm not mistaken that's $1BN these amateurs are managing over their 4 year term.  


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#1125 Mike K.

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 06:55 AM

YES. And yet we can’t find $600,000 for policing. Which, btw is the single largest expense at over $50 million. But that still leaves $200 million, and there’ll be even more next year.
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Posted 08 September 2019 - 09:48 AM

I wouldn't let Del Manak off the hook here. He is the one was has said in public words to the effect that the police are not going to enforce drug dealing or possession laws unless organized crime is involved.


Do you think that ridiculous approach is due to political interference or lack of funding?

Either way, if that's the approach, it doesn't take a genius to figure out why things get progressively worse.
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Posted 08 September 2019 - 10:22 AM

Do you think that ridiculous approach is due to political interference or lack of funding?...

I'd give that about a 70/30 split. Since the latter is really part of the former I suppose one could argue the decision is entirely politically based.



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Posted 08 September 2019 - 11:09 AM

Do you think that ridiculous approach is due to political interference or lack of funding?

Either way, if that's the approach, it doesn't take a genius to figure out why things get progressively worse.

 

If I recall correctly, he made the statement prior to the most recent funding issues. 



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Posted 08 September 2019 - 11:52 AM

If I recall correctly, he made the statement prior to the most recent funding issues.


Presumably an extension of the hands-off policy VicPD were reportedly told to take during the Tent City era. So keep doing the same thing because it's working so well.

"We have to stop the overdose crisis, but go easy on the drug dealers." Pretty sure a kindergartener could spot the flaw of that approach.
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Posted 08 September 2019 - 02:18 PM

One thing I will give Del credit for is that when the City started down the path of legalizing pot on its own, Del stated that legalized pot would increase crime and the need for enforcement rather than reduce it as Loveday and other council members stated at the time. That prediction has come to pass. I am not suggesting that pot has created more crime, but that the lax enforcement and "bring it on" attitude at City hall have allowed the black market to flourish and criminals are flocking to the region.


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Posted 09 September 2019 - 10:06 AM

One thing I will give Del credit for is that when the City started down the path of legalizing pot on its own, Del stated that legalized pot would increase crime and the need for enforcement rather than reduce it as Loveday and other council members stated at the time. That prediction has come to pass. I am not suggesting that pot has created more crime, but that the lax enforcement and "bring it on" attitude at City hall have allowed the black market to flourish and criminals are flocking to the region.


Interesting theory. What is your theory on what crime other than selling/growing pot has contributed to?

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 10:26 AM

One could argue creating the pot shops put the low-level dealers riding around on bicycles out of business and they are now searching for a new business.

Same thing now that pot is fully legal if any shops were run by “criminal organizations” they are now short revenue.

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 02:10 PM

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 06:22 AM

One thing I will give Del credit for is that when the City started down the path of legalizing pot on its own, Del stated that legalized pot would increase crime and the need for enforcement rather than reduce it as Loveday and other council members stated at the time. That prediction has come to pass. I am not suggesting that pot has created more crime, but that the lax enforcement and "bring it on" attitude at City hall have allowed the black market to flourish and criminals are flocking to the region.


I don't buy this at all. I am not in love with walking through clouds of pot all the time now but it is clear that legalization has lowered criminal activity just through the fact that the act is not illegal. Also the one thing that has changed in the last twenty years downtown is that I don't get asked ten times a day what kind of drug I want but maybe that is because I am old...

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#1135 Mike K.

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 06:31 AM

So you’re saying overall criminal activity has decreased, or pot-related criminal activity has decreased?

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 06:33 AM

Pot-related criminal activity has decreased.

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#1137 Mike K.

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 06:36 AM

Yeah. I can see that.

I would like to have a better breakdown of the sorts of drugs that police are encountering during their busts and arrests. The severity of the drug dealing world (guns, weapons) seems to have increased along with the “hardness” of the drugs being dealt. For all we know legalizing pot may have had an overall negative effect on public safety with real-deal pot dealers switching over to hard drugs where the stakes are higher and competition is fierce.
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Posted 12 September 2019 - 01:57 PM

What we need to do find an item that everybody likes and ban it so the bad folks make money but not actually harm anyone. Dishwasher detergent, batteries, plastic bags, etc.
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