355 replies to this topic

[FogPub]

Anyone know whether the V-Lounge in the Red Lion is still going?

[Victoria Watcher]

yes the v lounge will remain open as usual.

[FogPub]

Wonder what'll go into the Fox space then.  I can't imagine them just leaving it empty.

[LJ]

They said they were hoping to attract a more upscale tenant.

[Rob Randall]

They could have just said "A" tenant. Any tenant would be "upscale".

[Rob Randall]

Herald St. Brewpub:

 

FB

Insta 

Web

 

Little info at this point on any platform: no dates or menus or photos.

Edited by Rob Randall, 29 August 2019 - 12:16 PM.

[Jackerbie]

Herald St. Brewpub:

 

FB

Insta 

Web

 

Little info at this point on any platform: no dates or menus or photos.

 

They received their endorsement for the liquor license, but they don't have a Development Permit yet. That application is here: https://tender.victo...Number=DPV00105

[Rob Randall]

So what's the deal with all these new places? In the olden days of the early 2000s liquor primaries were extremely hard to get and now it seems places are getting food primaries and operating as pubs with barely a mention of a food menu. I was at the Refuge Tap Room and it was packed and didn't see a single food item on any table. Is there no enforcement or is it just a free-for-all now?

[Jackerbie]

So what's the deal with all these new places? In the olden days of the early 2000s liquor primaries were extremely hard to get and now it seems places are getting food primaries and operating as pubs with barely a mention of a food menu. I was at the Refuge Tap Room and it was packed and didn't see a single food item on any table. Is there no enforcement or is it just a free-for-all now?

 

Refuge has a liquor primary license

 

Herald Street has a manufacturer license with a lounge endorsement

[Victoria Watcher]

I was at the Refuge Tap Room and it was packed and didn't see a single food item on any table. Is there no enforcement or is it just a free-for-all now?

 

refuge reverse-engineered a liquor primary by applying when it was a tea place.   the type of licence the province and our mayor was proud of for like barbers shop etc.  then the tea place closed and a bar sprang up with the same license.

 

how wrong she was:

 

Victoria Mayor Lisa Helps said the move enhances existing businesses and creates new markets for brewers.

 

“We’re not talking about new bars or restaurants. We are talking about services and businesses where clients are already coming and that have a significant impact on the local economy,” Helps said, though she was hopeful the process would not bog down businesses in new layers of red tape.

 

may 2017:

 

 

A Victoria tea merchant could soon be putting a modern twist on the notion of high tea.

 

Terroir Tea Salon on Fort Street is the first local retailer to take advantage of a recent change in provincial regulations allowing for the sale of alcohol by non-traditional businesses.

 

 

https://www.timescol...-tea-1.20137471

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 29 August 2019 - 01:22 PM.

[Jackerbie]

 

refuge reverse-engineered a liquor primary by applying when it was a tea place.   the type of licence the province and our mayor was proud of for like barbers shop etc.  then the tea place closed and a bar sprang up with the same license.

 

 

Not completely the same. Terroire had a license for 24 patrons with operating hours until 11PM weeknights and 12AM weekends. Refuge applied to modify the terms of the license, which is was successful in doing after receiving the required endorsement from the City.

[Victoria Watcher]

but you have to admit it’s a completely different operator /owner and business model with a different clientele.

i’m not saying it’s a back way in bit it’s a great back way in.

[FogPub]

Not that the Refuge itself does much for me, but that Refuge-y sort of place - small freestanding pubs with maybe 30-50 seats - should be as common, and as easy to get going, as coffee shops!  Then, if it turns out there's too many, the market will sort out which ones survive and which don't.

 

Hell, it's worked in the UK for a few centuries...

[Mike K.]

^yup.

 

In Europe you'll even have locals that are just a bar with seating for maybe ten or twelve people.

[Victoria Watcher]

in europe many “holiday flats” have a lobby bar for yes just 12 or 20.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 29 August 2019 - 04:49 PM.

[amor de cosmos]

Not that the Refuge itself does much for me, but that Refuge-y sort of place - small freestanding pubs with maybe 30-50 seats - should be as common, and as easy to get going, as coffee shops!  Then, if it turns out there's too many, the market will sort out which ones survive and which don't.
 
Hell, it's worked in the UK for a few centuries...

the old green tree comes to mind though it's far from the only one. it has more like 25 seats