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#3661 Mike K.

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Posted 25 May 2023 - 08:10 AM

I guess there’s a method to the madness somewhere in there, as in you don’t necessarily want to spend a million bucks on blacktopping a road when a major development is just around the corner.

Cook Street will close this weekend between Southgate and Park in the Village for road paving. It’s an awful stretch right now.

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Posted 25 May 2023 - 08:53 AM

Saanich' roads are far better, never mind ignoring certain streets due to upcoming projects. By no means are they perfect, but compared to CoV, a lot better.

CoV failing big time on basic maintenance there.


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#3663 Mike K.

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Posted 25 May 2023 - 08:56 AM

Granted, Saanich has way, way less construction activity.

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Posted 25 May 2023 - 08:58 AM

True. It also has far, far more roads, no?  And don't most construction projects have to redo the roads around their project, at completion at least?  It's not like the major construction companies have their yards in the CoV either.



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Posted 25 May 2023 - 09:03 AM

Nope, that’s not a requirement, but sometimes it happens or it’s done in cooperation with a municipality. Developers pay plenty of DCCs for that sort of thing.

Saanich has a lot of car traffic. Trucks destroy roads, and when projects are getting built, roads get chewed up. Just watch what will happen in the University Heights area as the 1,000 units get underway on McKenzie between Cedar Hill and Shelbourne.

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Posted 25 May 2023 - 07:24 PM

I suspect there’s already been 1000 units completed in that area in the last 10 years. The road has been done several times. Either way, Saanich is on top of it.

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Posted 27 May 2023 - 06:25 PM

If you need to rezone or get a development permit for your project in the COV you have to repave the portion of road in front of your project from lot line to lot line out to the center line of the road and replace all the curb and gutter, sidewalk and Blvd from lot line to lot line.  You are not directly required to repave any roads beyond that but anyone getting a Building permit also has to pay development cost charges (DCCs) to fund the repair/renewal/or replacement of city infrastructure beyond those boundaries. 

 

In most cases the largest chunk of DCCs are suppose to be used for Transportation infrastructure but the City has clearly not been allocating that to repaving roads over the last 10 years.  



#3668 Nparker

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Posted 27 May 2023 - 07:31 PM

...the City has clearly not been allocating that to repaving roads over the last 10 years.  

This is what happens when dogma trumps practicality.



#3669 Mike K.

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Posted 27 May 2023 - 07:44 PM

Oh wild, I didn’t realize you had to re-pave to the centre of the road. I’ve never seen that before. Is it enforced? Or does the developer have the option of paying into a fund as another DCC line item, so the City can draw on those monies when they repave a whole block?

We’ll see what Bosa does with Dockside. That road has been chewed up good.

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#3670 IPH

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Posted 29 May 2023 - 10:25 PM

There may be a bit of flexibility if the City plans to pave the whole road in the next year or two but I am not aware of any projects where this was done.

 

The repaving requirement is a relatively new policy that was put in place a few years ago. Around 2019 or so I believe?   If Dockside Green is still working off an older development permit from before that, they may not have to repave their frontage or not to the center line of the road. 


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#3671 Mike K.

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Posted 30 May 2023 - 06:40 AM

Aha! That explains it. You’re such a wealth of knowledge, IPH, thank you for continuing to offer your insight.

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#3672 IPH

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Posted 01 June 2023 - 12:30 PM

No problem. I'm sorting through potential costs for a project I'm looking at and the Engineering department is insisting it be shown on the plans that we will replace the sidewalk, curb & gutter, Blvd landscaping and repave the road.  So dug up the actual bylaw to make sure they had the authority to require it.  The bylaw is a consolidation of a number of bylaws that was approved in Sept of 2019.

 

VICTORIA SUBDIVISION AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICING BYLAW NO. 12-042

 

Draft 2 (victoria.ca)

 

The requirement to rebuild the road is contained in Section(s) 10 (2) and 17 (2).


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#3673 Mike K.

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Posted 01 June 2023 - 08:58 PM

Very good, thank you.

I can confirm Bosa has repaved the stretch of roadway in front of the three new towers on Tyee, both lanes.

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#3674 Nparker

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Posted 03 June 2023 - 02:01 PM

It's great when CoV infrastructure projects, that I paid for barely 2 years ago, now need to be repaired.  :whyme:

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#3675 todd

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Posted 04 June 2023 - 08:35 PM

Maybe a customer/utility is paying the bill?

The street will never be the same though.

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#3676 Mike K.

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Posted 26 June 2023 - 06:09 AM

A Sooke councillor posted a list of municipal wants from a grade 3 class in the district, in order of frequency. More common sense than most 30 year olds.

- Waterpark
- Roads & housing
- Shopping mall
- Skate park
- Local jobs
- Tree protection
- Homeless support
- Bowling alley
- Statue of Godzilla or Toysaurus
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#3677 lanforod

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Posted 26 June 2023 - 07:32 AM

I've always wondered if a waterpark could survive here economically. Not sure we have enough population to sustain a 5 month seasonal waterpark. A real one, like Cultus Lake waterpark.



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Posted 26 June 2023 - 03:17 PM

We had one at the race track for generations.
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Posted 22 July 2023 - 04:37 AM

Improved road brings economic opportunities and safety to remote First Nation, Bamfield
Work to apply chip-seal coating on the 76.6-kilometre Bamfield Main starts Saturday and will continue through to the fall, so drivers can expect delays with alternating single-lane traffic guided by pilot vehicles.

 

The Bamfield Main road project is in the final phase. Work to apply chip-seal coating on the 76.6-kilometre route starts Saturday and will continue through to the fall, so drivers can expect delays with alternating single-lane traffic guided by pilot vehicles.

 

The initial phase of road coatings will start from kilometre 36 and go to Bamfield. When that section is complete, surfacing will resume from kilometre 36 and proceed to Port Alberni.

 

Jack said a detour will be in place for the initial sealing work at kilometre 36 where vehicles can wind around the work and emerge at kilometre 49.

 

Chip-seal coating involves applying a base of hot tar onto the existing roadway, which is then embedded with fine-grade aggregates.

 

Jack said the coating is designed to address persistent problems that make the road dangerous, such as potholes and wash-boarding.

 

The $30-million project is a partnership with the province and the Huu-ay-aht First Nation, and is considered a historic undertaking in British Columbia as the first Indigenous community to lead a major road infrastructure project of this size.

 

 

https://www.timescol...amfield-7311603



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Posted 22 July 2023 - 07:48 AM

It should have been a bike lane.

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