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#681 Mike K.

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Posted 25 February 2021 - 10:52 AM

Well, it happens all the time, it's rife with adultery. They are stuck on boats for months at a time, they have "boat husbands," "boat wives," etc. Where it becomes a problem is when a relationship develops between a direct subordinate and a superior. Relationships ought also be disclosed to superiors.


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Posted 25 February 2021 - 11:03 AM

Well, it happens all the time, it's rife with adultery. They are stuck on boats for months at a time, they have "boat husbands," "boat wives," etc. Where it becomes a problem is when a relationship develops between a direct subordinate and a superior. Relationships ought also be disclosed to superiors.

 

To our wives and our girlfriends, may the two never meet... or something like that.


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Posted 25 February 2021 - 11:11 AM

Well, it happens all the time, it's rife with adultery. They are stuck on boats for months at a time, they have "boat husbands," "boat wives," etc. Where it becomes a problem is when a relationship develops between a direct subordinate and a superior. Relationships ought also be disclosed to superiors.

 

Not saying it doesn't happen, just asking if it was still a charge. Might have impact on what is going on in Ottawa.



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Posted 25 February 2021 - 11:11 AM

It's a similar story with police, fire, ambulance and other high stress jobs where you develop relationships with people based on the sharing of common experiences and difficult situations. 


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Posted 25 February 2021 - 11:19 AM

^ ASE maybe you know this. At one point adultery was consider conduct unbecoming for an officer. Is that still the case?

 

Offhand I don't Spanky - I do know in recent years the Defence Act has been substantially updated with regard to offences or inferred offences of a sexual nature;  the Defence Administrative Orders and Directives (DAOD's) does not speak directly to adultery so the answer is unclear to me:

 

https://www.canada.c...ernization.html

 

On another CAF topic since we like to slag the department for its horrific procurement practices and policies credit where credit is due; saw a couple of pics of the newly-minted RCN patrol vessel Harry DeWolf on patrol in the Arctic. They are really quite spectacular - 

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Posted 25 February 2021 - 11:43 AM

To our wives and our girlfriends, may the two never meet... or something like that.

I always thought it was: "To dread diseases, and bloody wars!"


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Posted 25 February 2021 - 12:49 PM

I always thought it was: "To dread diseases, and bloody wars!"

 

Different toast for each day of the week. Original Saturday toast was to "wives and sweethearts" but that has been changed to " our families".

 

Thursday toast is to a "bloody war or sickly season" on the basis that that is a quick way to get promoted!



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Posted 26 February 2021 - 09:15 AM

Offhand I don't Spanky - I do know in recent years the Defence Act has been substantially updated with regard to offences or inferred offences of a sexual nature; the Defence Administrative Orders and Directives (DAOD's) does not speak directly to adultery so the answer is unclear to me:

https://www.canada.c...ernization.html

On another CAF topic since we like to slag the department for its horrific procurement practices and policies credit where credit is due; saw a couple of pics of the newly-minted RCN patrol vessel Harry DeWolf on patrol in the Arctic. They are really quite spectacular -


Great pictures, thanks for sharing those.

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Posted 26 February 2021 - 09:38 AM

Great pictures, thanks for sharing those.

 

Yer welcome; published and distributed by the MoD. At least we sent a naval ship up there with weapons capability, minimal as it may be (BAE Bushmaster and a couple of Browning machine gun emplacements I believe).

 

I really have no idea to this day why especially certain classes of even the new CCG ships - including the yet to be built heavy polar icebreaker John Diefenbaker - remain or are intended to be unarmed especially since some of them will be deployed for Arctic patrols.

 

In the event of an "incident" as China and Russia move to assert their naval presence in the north I suppose the CG ships are expected to yell over the radio-comm system as loudly as they can, then scoot out of the area ASAP. Literally a couple of the CG offshore patrol ships have machine guns but that capability does not extend even to that entire class, of which we have about 8 ships if memory serves. Again I don't know why that is.



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Posted 26 February 2021 - 09:59 AM

I can see the value of light weapons when you're up against drug runners and pirates but if your adversary is China or Russia there is a strategic value in not being armed believe it or not. It's hard to accuse an unarmed ship of being the aggressor in a confrontation.


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Posted 26 February 2021 - 11:06 AM

I can see the value of light weapons when you're up against drug runners and pirates but if your adversary is China or Russia there is a strategic value in not being armed believe it or not. It's hard to accuse an unarmed ship of being the aggressor in a confrontation.


That's a decent point. It would be nice if the Harry Dewolf class had missile defence weapon though. Just to give the ship a chance to survive if someone else decides to be the agressor.

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Posted 26 February 2021 - 12:44 PM

Yet more fuel for the fire...what an unholy mess; only in Canada with its convoluted defence procurement "requirements" could a ship yard with a SEVEN BILLION $ contract be seen to lose money, at least initially.

 

And the timeline for final replacement of our poor aging frigates is a national disgrace.....2046 for the last of only 15 ships to *finally* hit salt water - over a generation after initially ordered? FFS wet-behind-the-ears rookie seamen on our ships today will be collecting their pension checks by the time the last of the "new" ships arrive. That is beyond unacceptable IMO.

 

Back in the heyday of the Red Navy - and yes I know very well we're talking about a centralized Soviet system that cared less about sealed bids or frankly the cost in rubles etc., and which put 1000x more emphasis on such things than wet noodle Canadian Liberal governments - there was insofar as I am aware at least one documented case study when they were in hot competition with the US Navy, to consider/plan for/design, build and actually PUT INTO production for front line operational duty - simultaneously - an entire class each of new frigates and destroyers in as little as 6-8 years - and we're not talking about some itty-bitty piddly teeny weeny number like 15 vessels either. Disgraceful.

 

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#693 Mike K.

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Posted Yesterday, 08:14 AM

We really should be contracting this to professionals in other NATO nations.

Look at Bombardier. Propped up for generations by Quebec-centric federal governments, and it remains a hot mess. The Learjet was just canceled, which has been a Canadian symbol of aviation for ever. Man, did we ever play our cards right as taxpayers on that one.

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