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[spanky123]

I was not aware that First Nations in Canada are governed by a separate set of laws. What is Helps referring to when she says there are two sets of laws at play in the chamber?

 

The comments up to the censorship are on the council website in the first 10 minutes. https://pub-victoria...05-02-12-26.mp4

 

Sounds like the City Family meetings and presentation today are only done orally (ie no minutes or documentation). That may have been the issue with the recording in that it would have left a record. 

Edited by spanky123, 02 May 2019 - 07:48 PM.

[sdwright.vic]

Yeah, and so?

[rjag]

Jeez just listened to it, skipped back and forward on it as its over an hour but Helps is out to lunch on refusing to webcast it and later listening to Collins I am convinced the next MP for Victoria will NOT be NDP.....

[spanky123]

Jeez just listened to it, skipped back and forward on it as its over an hour but Helps is out to lunch on refusing to webcast it and later listening to Collins I am convinced the next MP for Victoria will NOT be NDP.....

 

I am sure that Ms. Collins is a wonderful person but she does not do well at council meetings. She is often stumbling, confused and unsure of herself. Having said that though, after the Trudeau experience with MP's that want to speak their minds, Ms. Collins may be exactly the type of person a leader wants. 

Edited by spanky123, 02 May 2019 - 08:08 PM.

[Mike K.]

Young said council has “a legal requirement for open government” and reiterated his concerns regarding shutting off the webcast.

Helps’ rebuttal was that the City is not required to stream a webcast, which is true. Helps also referred to two legal orders at play. Helps also said there will be formal minutes.

[Nparker]

... listening to Collins I am convinced the next MP for Victoria will NOT be NDP.....

Isn't it worth sending Ms Collins to Ottawa, making her virtually powerless while opening up even the slightest glimmer of hope of a rational person taking her place on CoV council? I know where my federal vote is likely to go now.

[Nparker]

...Helps also said there will be formal minutes.

I'll believe that only when they are made public.

[sdwright.vic]

As someone who has typed formal minutes for many a place, minutes are only as good as the manager that signs off on there release.

[Mike K.]

At the 29 minute mark Councillor Dubow asks staff to explain the concept of a rezoning.

[Midnightly]

Isn't it worth sending Ms Collins to Ottawa, making her virtually powerless while opening up even the slightest glimmer of hope of a rational person taking her place on CoV council? I know where my federal vote is likely to go now.

 

 

but soo many of us hoped for that exact thing during this past election..and the pendulum only swung even further in the wrong direction

[Nparker]

but soo many of us hoped for that exact thing during this past election..and the pendulum only swung even further in the wrong direction

True enough, but maybe the pendulum could swing back a bit in a by-election.

[Nparker]

At the 29 minute mark Councillor Dubow asks staff to explain the concept of a rezoning.

Oy vey. 

[spanky123]

Young said council has “a legal requirement for open government” and reiterated his concerns regarding shutting off the webcast.

Helps’ rebuttal was that the City is not required to stream a webcast, which is true. Helps also referred to two legal orders at play. Helps also said there will be formal minutes.

It was a little confusing but it sounded like minutes would only reflect what the council members and Mayor said and not that of any FN member.

[Mike K.]

Oh yes, that could very well be.

[RFS]

It was a little confusing but it sounded like minutes would only reflect what the council members and Mayor said and not that of any FN member.

Ridiculous and offensive double standard

[On the Level]

Young said council has “a legal requirement for open government” and reiterated his concerns regarding shutting off the webcast.

Helps’ rebuttal was that the City is not required to stream a webcast, which is true. Helps also referred to two legal orders at play. Helps also said there will be formal minutes.

At 8:40 - clarification of the process for the city of Victoria to use

 

At 11:30 - The City of Victoria switches meeting from "Indigenous Legal Order" to  "Our Legal Order"

 

12:40 - Issit points out that the blackout of the City Family communication was railroaded. (It was completely scripted as you can see him reading verbatim over multiple pages) 

 

One home being added to a large lot

• 26:00 - Sharmarke Dubow shows his expertise in being a councilor.  
• 29:30 - Sarah Potts - Champions landscape design for garden pots.
• 31:10 - Ben Issit - Variance - asked what about setback - then reading verbatim from a prepared speech on his laptop for his base.
• 35:10 - Geoff Young waffles and rambles - not supporting the motion without just saying so.
• 37:38 - Young and Issit vote against "an opportunity for public comment" 
• Now - On the Level - How much funding has council wasted with staff etc on a single residence?  Would it have been cheaper for taxpayers if the city simply expropriated the property?  How much has this council added to the carbon footprint in debating this single property between staff work/transportation to and from/paper/energy?    How much will they spend to avoid a decision?

I only made it 38 minutes in....painful.

[Sparky]

I was not aware that First Nations in Canada are governed by a separate set of laws. What is Helps referring to when she says there are two sets of laws at play in the chamber?

http://jfklaw.ca/mak...indigenous-law/

[Mike K.]

That was very informative. Thank you, Sparky.

[Nparker]

 

Issit points out that the blackout of the City Family communication was railroaded

What exactly does this mean? 

[rmpeers]

I'll believe that only when they are made public.

If minutes are made public, I am okay with that. The problem is our mayor has not exactly created a perception of openness in her previous activities, so people are bound to be suspicious. My fear is that, just like the statue issue, she will deal with this in such a way as to fan the flames of racism again just to benefit her. Hopefully the city family members will be more cautious after that debacle.