Posted 26 October 2020 - 04:23 PM
I owned a mid sized business for 25 years and had zero influence with councils. I was on the Board of the Chamber and had zero influence with councils. What exactly do you think these businesses had to influence councils?
My guess is that they probably brown-nosed Lisa Doesn't Help and her socialist cadre (i.e. Comrade Isitt, etc.) at City Hall.
Posted 26 October 2020 - 11:13 PM
I'd like to know why a mayor and council shouldn't be supporting the businesses that pay taxes into local coffers.
In the last ~40 years the prevailing opinion has evolved from:
"of course the city government should want local businesses to prosper"
to
"of course the city government shouldn't care if local businesses prosper"
to
"of course the city government shouldn't want local businesses to prosper"
Posted 27 October 2020 - 08:53 AM
I owned a mid sized business for 25 years and had zero influence with councils. I was on the Board of the Chamber and had zero influence with councils. What exactly do you think these businesses had to influence councils?
Hmm you contacted Council about an issue and simply heard nothing? I'm been a homeowner and I've had less than zero influence. I think businesses are heard on some issues downtown is all I mean, more than the average resident.
Mayor Helps told businesses facing crime to hire security.
And it’s not clout when Dodd’s Furniture has to turn to the media to have their concerns resonate.
Is this your example? Much more going on than that I would think... I'm not saying businesses simply ask and receive but a single resident doesn't get the same attention. Sorry..
Posted 27 October 2020 - 09:19 AM
Hmm you contacted Council about an issue and simply heard nothing? I'm been a homeowner and I've had less than zero influence. I think businesses are heard on some issues downtown is all I mean, more than the average resident.
You can be a homeowner or a business owner and go you entire life without ever hearing from anyone on council or being asked you opinion. I don't think it really matters which bucket you fall into.
If you want attention then you have one of two choices, scratch a back or be a squeaky wheel. I don't think that those dynamics have changed much since the Roman times.
Posted 27 October 2020 - 09:24 AM
You can be a homeowner or a business owner and go you entire life without ever hearing from anyone on council or being asked you opinion. I don't think it really matters which bucket you fall into.
If you want attention then you have one of two choices, scratch a back or be a squeaky wheel. I don't think that those dynamics have changed much since the Roman times.
Well I will disagree with that statement when it comes to downtown. Businesses are asked in many ways for feedback on a multitude of things. Whether they decide to respond or not is up to them. I'm more referring to a business, at least in Victoria, would have more sway than say I do as a resident, and I would say more meaning than my single vote. Either way it's unlikely businesses will get to vote in municipalities in BC.
Posted 27 October 2020 - 09:34 AM
Well I will disagree with that statement when it comes to downtown. Businesses are asked in many ways for feedback on a multitude of things. Whether they decide to respond or not is up to them. I'm more referring to a business, at least in Victoria, would have more sway than say I do as a resident, and I would say more meaning than my single vote. Either way it's unlikely businesses will get to vote in municipalities in BC.
I don't consider having an online survey which I may or may not ever hear about consultation or feedback.
Posted 27 October 2020 - 11:24 AM
Well I will disagree with that statement when it comes to downtown. Businesses are asked in many ways for feedback on a multitude of things. Whether they decide to respond or not is up to them. I'm more referring to a business, at least in Victoria, would have more sway than say I do as a resident, and I would say more meaning than my single vote. Either way it's unlikely businesses will get to vote in municipalities in BC.
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Posted 27 October 2020 - 11:37 AM
What examples do we have of this so-called sway?
Um what is it, 80 free patios? There are plenty of things the City does for businesses... Seriously?
Posted 27 October 2020 - 11:37 AM
I don't consider having an online survey which I may or may not ever hear about consultation or feedback.
Businesses receive more options than residents, through DVBA and Chamber....
Posted 27 October 2020 - 11:55 AM
Um what is it, 80 free patios? There are plenty of things the City does for businesses... Seriously?
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Posted 27 October 2020 - 11:57 AM
What options are those?Businesses receive more options than residents, through DVBA and Chamber....
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Posted 27 October 2020 - 12:03 PM
It was the city’s initiative, and businesses have to pay for them.
Yes and no. Businesses are not paying rent at the moment for those spaces.
This was a win win though. The restaurants lobbied for the patios and Helps gets to shut down Government and a few other streets and claim she is doing something to help.
Posted 27 October 2020 - 12:08 PM
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Posted 27 October 2020 - 01:52 PM
It was the city’s initiative, and businesses have to pay for them.
You mean they are paying to build them? City working with businesses, not residents who get votes 
. Please recall this is about the power of one vote vs the sway a business has. Just saying that sway is better than a vote. I'd love a patio outside my condo (through the summer).
Edited by Ismo07, 27 October 2020 - 01:53 PM.
Posted 27 October 2020 - 03:29 PM
Hmm you contacted Council about an issue and simply heard nothing? I'm been a homeowner and I've had less than zero influence. I think businesses are heard on some issues downtown is all I mean, more than the average resident.
Is this your example? Much more going on than that I would think... I'm not saying businesses simply ask and receive but a single resident doesn't get the same attention. Sorry..
I have records of emails I have sent to CoV Council ranging from 2 years ago to 10 years ago and the only reply was the standard form letter if at all. Writing letters and influence are 2 different animals.
In the past I was usually able to approach and work with the various managers and of course the folks on the front lines are always approachable. You are talking influence with Elected Officials. The only folks that break through that barrier have been big$ developers, woke ideologists and the angry cyclist coalition
Posted 27 October 2020 - 03:50 PM
I have records of emails I have sent to CoV Council ranging from 2 years ago to 10 years ago and the only reply was the standard form letter if at all. Writing letters and influence are 2 different animals.
In the past I was usually able to approach and work with the various managers and of course the folks on the front lines are always approachable. You are talking influence with Elected Officials. The only folks that break through that barrier have been big$ developers, woke ideologists and the angry cyclist coalition
Good point. I have always found staff to be very helpful, it is the elected crowd I am referring to.
Posted 28 October 2020 - 08:10 AM
I have records of emails I have sent to CoV Council ranging from 2 years ago to 10 years ago and the only reply was the standard form letter if at all. Writing letters and influence are 2 different animals.
In the past I was usually able to approach and work with the various managers and of course the folks on the front lines are always approachable. You are talking influence with Elected Officials. The only folks that break through that barrier have been big$ developers, woke ideologists and the angry cyclist coalition
Well I'm not sure what I'm talking about anymore. I know that the DVBA and Chamber (they speak for businesses) does have influence directly and I'm certain that businesses have more than residents. And the value is more than a single vote, I can't explain that any differently. If we add the influence on staff then it would be even greater. We've beat this one down enough. Business owners won't be able to vote anytime soon so the point is moot I suppose.
Posted 28 October 2020 - 08:35 AM
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Posted 28 October 2020 - 09:33 AM
But they’re voting with their feet, though. That’s not a good thing for Victoria.
It's not a Victoria decision. You think businesses are leaving cause they can't vote here? It will all rebound,.
Posted 28 October 2020 - 09:38 AM
It's not a Victoria decision. You think businesses are leaving cause they can't vote here? It will all rebound,.
Not soon according to the Bank of Canada. Latest forecasts released today estimate essentially no growth until at least 2023. That is likely one reason why the markets dumped today.
Oh and what happens when you have constrained supply due to lack of growth and lots of free money flooding the system?!
Edited by spanky123, 28 October 2020 - 09:40 AM.
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