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#9141 kitty surprise

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Posted 11 June 2021 - 02:42 PM

CFAX reporting that protestors defaced the statue of Queen Victoria on the leg lawns this afternoon. Next step is for it to come down.

 

 https://www.iheartra...ture-1.15401414

 

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#9142 tommy

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Posted 11 June 2021 - 03:33 PM

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Posted Today, 03:34 PM

CFAX reporting that protestors vandals defaced the statue of Queen Victoria on the leg lawns this afternoon. Next step is for it to come down.

 

 https://www.iheartra...ture-1.15401414

 


Edited by tommy, 11 June 2021 - 03:33 PM.

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#9143 JimV

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Posted 11 June 2021 - 03:52 PM

CFAX reporting that protestors defaced the statue of Queen Victoria on the leg lawns this afternoon. Next step is for it to come down.

 

 https://www.iheartra...ture-1.15401414

As usual, security seems to stand back while public property is defaced and wrecked.  Next we’ll have a UVIC professor telling us how necessary and good this was.


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#9144 mbjj

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Posted 11 June 2021 - 06:19 PM

Here is a survey question for you..

 

Does cancelling Canada Day improve or harm your perception of FN and are you more or less likely to want to support initiatives benefitting them in the future?

 

If FN leadership actually cared about the welfare of their people then they would be telling Helps and Alto to stay in their own lane.

Makes me tune out of the issue completely. 


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#9145 Greg

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Posted 11 June 2021 - 06:39 PM

Nothing is accomplished by cancelling Canada Day. It won't bring back those lost in the decades residential schools were a reality in Canada. It won't bring clean drinking water to reserves or help with the lack of adequate housing for first nations. It won't improve access to addictions treatment for those who need it. It won't provide jobs or training. It is as good and as hollow as saying I'm sorry - without any action to make amends to the people harmed. 

 

This demonstrates a lack of leadership. Kamloops school closed in 1978 - more than 43 years ago - and the current act, cancelling Canada Day in 2021 in Victoria makes as much sense as closing the barn door long after all the horses have left the barn. What would be better: asking people to donate to initiatives specifically aimed at making right the wrong - things like the go fund me to support ground radar searches of other residential school sites, scholarships that are focused on supporting indigenous students, indigenous cultural centres, etc. 

 

 

this city council and mayor take the simple symbolic route every time.

but that’s a thing now.

 

 

Here is a survey question for you..

 

Does cancelling Canada Day improve or harm your perception of FN and are you more or less likely to want to support initiatives benefitting them in the future?

 

If FN leadership actually cared about the welfare of their people then they would be telling Helps and Alto to stay in their own lane.

 

Let's be honest. None of us were going to watch the boring hour of streamed content anyway. This is much ado about nothing on both sides. The planned program was going to start with the Lekwungen dancers. I think it is easy to understand why the dancers opted not to participate this year. And rather then reprogram the agenda, the city just canceled it. It's not like "Canada Day" has been canceled, just this streaming event.

 

Sure, the Council was unduly influenced by their pathological need to virtue signal. But the faux outrage over this just makes it look like "both sides are bad."


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#9146 LJ

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Posted 11 June 2021 - 07:16 PM

Makes me tune out of the issue completely. 

I've done more fast forwarding of the news in the last couple of weeks than ever before.


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#9147 Nparker

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Posted 11 June 2021 - 08:53 PM

I've done more fast forwarding of the news in the last couple of weeks than ever before.

I stopped following almost all news sources in March 2020. I haven't missed them at all.


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#9148 JimV

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Posted 12 June 2021 - 07:05 AM

 

 

Sure, the Council was unduly influenced by their pathological need to virtue signal. But the faux outrage over this just makes it look like "both sides are bad."

No, it just makes council look like the virtue signalling idiots that they are.


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#9149 JimV

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Posted 12 June 2021 - 07:06 AM

I've done more fast forwarding of the news in the last couple of weeks than ever before.

I just press the mute button.



#9150 tanker

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Posted 12 June 2021 - 09:03 AM

How much longer are they going to drag this stupid story out for? No one really cares.

#9151 Midnightly

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Posted 12 June 2021 - 11:53 AM

Let's be honest. None of us were going to watch the boring hour of streamed content anyway. This is much ado about nothing on both sides. The planned program was going to start with the Lekwungen dancers. I think it is easy to understand why the dancers opted not to participate this year. And rather then reprogram the agenda, the city just canceled it. It's not like "Canada Day" has been canceled, just this streaming event.

 

Sure, the Council was unduly influenced by their pathological need to virtue signal. But the faux outrage over this just makes it look like "both sides are bad."

fully agree other then taking down the statue and cancelling canada day plans what has our oh so woke council done to support, help, and bring reconciliation to the local first nations communities? yes they have a "city family"  where maybe half of the seats are represented by local first nations... where is the progress? little bit of art work here and there, take down a statue of an old white man...

 

why has there not been more representation of first nations in every parade the city has had over the last few years? (the small town i grew up always had first nations dancers in the parade), this city can have a latin fest, a greek fest, a sik festival, chinese new year celebrations (and summer celebrations too), yet where is the first nations representation? have the city ever asked about creating a cultural event for first nations to showcase their history and what they are proud of, i know some aspects of their culture is sacred and is not shared with the public, but the parts that can be shared with the public why don't they regularly take place?  something like Lekwungen historical stories in the park, Drumming Circles, possibly things like basket weaving and other traditional skills where you can make something and learn the history, making an effort to screen first nations films in the park mixed in with all the other films that happen over the summer.. Soo much more can be done for inclusion then just taking down statues and throwing up a bit of artwork


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#9152 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 12 June 2021 - 11:55 AM

First Nations actual people could not give a shit.

But there is an entire industry built around the “outrage”

It’s bullshit.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 12 June 2021 - 11:57 AM.


#9153 mbjj

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Posted 12 June 2021 - 03:09 PM

I'm sure there is a First Nations' festival held sometime during the year as I've seen lots of going on down by the Royal B.C. Museum. It's usually sometime in the summer, but not sure when and don't know the official name of it. 



#9154 spanky123

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Posted 14 June 2021 - 05:47 AM

When the Mayor gets feedback she doesn't like it is usually because everyone else in Victoria is uninformed or ignorant. I see she ratcheted up a notch this week by suggesting that the rest of Canada needs to get with the program. With respect to her decision to cancel Canada Day ..

 

While there has been strong local support for this decision, there has also been some backlash from across the country. The backlash tells me that we have a lot more work to do as a country to understand what reconciliation actually means

 

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#9155 kitty surprise

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Posted 14 June 2021 - 06:00 AM

While there has been strong local support for this decision, there has also been some backlash from across the country. The backlash tells me that we have a lot more work to do as a country to understand what reconciliation actually means

www.lisahelpsvictoria.ca

Yep, totally on brand for her. Sadly, her righteousness makes her ignore - by now, many if not most of - the electorate - and to many this reads as completely tone deaf.

Edited by kitty surprise, 14 June 2021 - 06:00 AM.

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#9156 Awaiting Juno

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Posted 14 June 2021 - 09:11 AM

When the Mayor gets feedback she doesn't like it is usually because everyone else in Victoria is uninformed or ignorant. I see she ratcheted up a notch this week by suggesting that the rest of Canada needs to get with the program. With respect to her decision to cancel Canada Day ..

 

While there has been strong local support for this decision, there has also been some backlash from across the country. The backlash tells me that we have a lot more work to do as a country to understand what reconciliation actually means

 

www.lisahelpsvictoria.ca

 

Reconciliation is not an "eye for an eye" process.  It's a process where one party works towards forgiveness by the other party and both parties seek to build a stronger partnership going forward.  It is not a situation where because tremendous damage was done to one culture, that  tremendous damage must be done to another culture to "make up for it". Rather it's recognizing what needs to happen to elevate and repair the damage done (ie. providing support for indigenous awareness and inclusion, learning about and accommodating cultural practices,etc.). It's recognizing the need for access to treatment for addictions and mental health problems that have been caused by the historical trauma.  It's recognizing the need for access to programs that support children to remain in their homes by helping those homes become healthier places - and where and when that is not possible, its about enabling more capacity for foster homes that are within the same culture or who are at least willing to support and  encourage the child to remain attached to their culture.

 

I worry about the definition of reconciliation some people seem to be working from.  Although, perhaps my definition is what is "out of line" - being derived from a childhood in the catholic church where reconciliation meant confessing to one's misdeeds to a priest, asking for forgiveness and being directed towards some penance (typically prayer). 


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#9157 spanky123

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Posted 14 June 2021 - 09:28 AM

^ I think that most FN share the same understanding as you. They understand that collaboration rather than confrontation is the path to economic success for their loved ones. Unfortunately there are people who have hijacked the message for their own personal and professional gain and many are afraid to speak up. 


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#9158 spanky123

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Posted 17 June 2021 - 04:08 PM

Ooops. Kamloops FN chief states that Canada Day celebrations should not be cancelled. 

 

That is what happens when you jump on bandwagons before the band.

 

https://cfjctoday.co...ng-opportunity/


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#9159 A Girl is No one

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Posted 17 June 2021 - 07:36 PM

Who wants to bet that CoV council will listen to their wisdom and change their mind about Canada day celebrations?

I’m not holding my breath…

#9160 kitty surprise

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Posted 18 June 2021 - 01:24 AM

Ooops. Kamloops FN chief states that Canada Day celebrations should not be cancelled. 
 
That is what happens when you jump on bandwagons before the band.
 
https://cfjctoday.co...ng-opportunity/


Hey, Helps & Co. Nobody asked you to cancel Canada Day. The FN certainly didn't. But you couldn't help yourself, could you? You just had to find every chance you could to shove your self-righteous pompous ideology down everyone else's throat. Talk about taking a page out of the Colonists playbook. Egg on face in 3...2...
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