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#10081 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 24 November 2021 - 11:47 AM

Perfect. You are becoming cynical as to be expected after sitting in with this group.

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#10082 Mike K.

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Posted 24 November 2021 - 11:50 AM

It’ll be a 3-6 vote. I don’t think any councillors have any illusions over where lines are drawn. It would make more sense to focus energies where change can be enacted, and that’s what the 5 of 9 are really good at.
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Posted 24 November 2021 - 11:54 AM

Will council commit to measuring and quantifying the difference in GHG emissions between the current iteration and previous/possible future iterations of the design of Clover Point?

 

I mentioned on Stephen's twitter page that I think a year-round hybrid compromise can be made.  

 

Retain the parking loop.  Widen the parking stalls to accommodate families with kids getting in and out of cars with pets and strollers and to accommodate people using walkers needing a little more room between cars.  Every 4-6 parking spaces, replace a couple of spaces with a grassy patch where people can sit, picnic, etc...  

Pull all the parking spaces back from the edge and install a nice proper walkway around the entire perimeter

You can even keep some space for the orange chairs, turn the parking spaces they currently occupy into a grassy patch and put the chairs there.

Move the big picnic tables to the big grassy bit in the middle

You could even do a small waterpark feature in the big grassy bit in the middle for kids to play in

 

I think this strikes a nice balance and provides year-round use.


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#10084 Barrrister

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Posted 24 November 2021 - 12:22 PM

Actually, I hope this is a long drawn out debate, the longer the better because I really rather that this council did not pass all their other insane projects.


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#10085 A Girl is No one

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Posted 24 November 2021 - 01:35 PM

Just a reminder Charlayne and I voted against the closure. I still think there’s a better way.

As to “salvaging themselves at the ballot box” - unnecessarily terse Janice. I remain consistent because I believe it’s the right thing to do.

The vote will likely be symbolic and if I have to guess it will be a long drawn out debate going nowhere.

If we want to have effective time management, punt this to next council for a productive and full consultation with an inclusive solution.

So why force a discussion on FN reconciliation payments? This is bound to be much more complicated and heated and divisive than Clover point (and that is saying a lot!). I still don’t understand that decision Stephen. (I will call you about it, i simply haven’t had time yet.)

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Posted 24 November 2021 - 02:38 PM

Stephen: I appreciate what you are trying to accomplish but the reality is that most of the council are seriously off track, Compromising with am exceptionally bad idea still leaves you with a really bad idea. 

 

I am still trying to get anyone to explain the first question on the budget survey. It is the one that asks me to rank the cities priority from one to eight (eight being the worst) but it forces you to rank at least half of them in the top their. This is aking one whether you would rank your preference to being shot stabbed or have all your money stolen. it is an absolutely manipulative question.that will be used to claim support for the politicians policies. It is also intentionally manipulative since they have done this before and it was pointed out to the department that this is clearly improper. 

 

To be clear I dont think seven of the eight items should be a priority and that the eight is so vague as to be meaningless or open to any interrelation.

 

Complaining will not achieve anything since most of the members of this council are not interested in either honesty or fairness, 

 

I do support you Stephen but compromise is a game that they win every time.

 

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Posted 24 November 2021 - 02:41 PM

...it is an absolutely manipulative question.that will be used to claim support for the politicians policies. It is also intentionally manipulative since they have done this before...

Welcome to the world of CoV public engagement.  <_<


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Posted 24 November 2021 - 03:48 PM

Welcome to the world of CoV public engagement. <_<

The beatings will continue until morale improves…
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#10089 Stephen Andrew

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Posted 24 November 2021 - 05:13 PM

So why force a discussion on FN reconciliation payments? This is bound to be much more complicated and heated and divisive than Clover point (and that is saying a lot!). I still don’t understand that decision Stephen. (I will call you about it, i simply haven’t had time yet.)


I am truly thrilled to discuss this issue.

Ever since it arrived at the council with 4 signatures (it takes 5 to approve a motion), the train left the statthere was no stopping it.

I do not regret my vote to send the electorate for them to weigh in on the decision.

I suggest before casting judgement, you might was to wait for final deliberations. It will be interesting.

#10090 Stephen Andrew

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Posted 24 November 2021 - 05:15 PM

Stephen: I appreciate what you are trying to accomplish but the reality is that most of the council are seriously off track, Compromising with am exceptionally bad idea still leaves you with a really bad idea.

I am still trying to get anyone to explain the first question on the budget survey. It is the one that asks me to rank the cities priority from one to eight (eight being the worst) but it forces you to rank at least half of them in the top their. This is aking one whether you would rank your preference to being shot stabbed or have all your money stolen. it is an absolutely manipulative question.that will be used to claim support for the politicians policies. It is also intentionally manipulative since they have done this before and it was pointed out to the department that this is clearly improper.

To be clear I dont think seven of the eight items should be a priority and that the eight is so vague as to be meaningless or open to any interrelation.

Complaining will not achieve anything since most of the members of this council are not interested in either honesty or fairness,

I do support you Stephen but compromise is a game that they win every time.

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There will be questions in public on this

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Posted 24 November 2021 - 05:20 PM

…while zoomer worries about who may or may not buy a downtown lot.


What the hell - catching up on VV threads and I think this is your third direct reference to me thus far! I’m worried I’m living rent free in your head Mike, sorry about that. Feel free to DM me if I’m getting on your nerves, or just ask me to back off too if that works.
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Posted 24 November 2021 - 09:44 PM

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Posted 25 November 2021 - 08:42 AM

^ This is going to be the most interesting election we have had in a long time. For a couple of cycles we have spoken of the "business community" finally getting its act together. I think this time it is finally going to happen even though there is more than one "business community"!


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Posted 25 November 2021 - 09:25 AM

^ This is going to be the most interesting election we have had in a long time. For a couple of cycles we have spoken of the "business community" finally getting its act together. I think this time it is finally going to happen even though there is more than one "business community"!

 

There's no choice. Either we elect better, or we face economic peril. Ignoring municipal politics is no longer a benign thing to do - not when those who are engaged are willing to do whatever they must to advance their own interests. 


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#10095 spanky123

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Posted 25 November 2021 - 09:33 AM

There's no choice. Either we elect better, or we face economic peril. Ignoring municipal politics is no longer a benign thing to do - not when those who are engaged are willing to do whatever they must to advance their own interests.


Although sometimes you need to be careful what you wish for.
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#10096 Harry

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Posted 25 November 2021 - 02:12 PM

The clover point issue is as old as it gets (much like government st) every few years there is a great idea top put benches etc in. And like clock work they are removed. The point is usually due to the weather and Government is due to the need to use the road. Councillor Young stated when talking about the point that the next people in council could work to undo everything this council has done. This gives me the impression that they know what is being done in the city is not for the people but for them and their echo chamber friends. Through some digging around you can clearly see how the friends of council have benefited from these weird choices. Like it or not a large percentage of the ViC Council is borderline corrupt helping them selves or friends to the cost to the taxpayer. When you have a system of punishment handed out if you speak against them it shows the council is broken. I would really like to see a spread sheet of what has been done and who voted on it and who or how they are connected to the item voted on. I would also like to see a time line of how things were handled with the police, the homeless, taxes, parking rates, the petitions that have been ignored, Beacon Hill park, rerouting of funds from one part of city works to cover pet projects, city camping, the homeless numbers going up and how that coincides with helps making wild announcements about free camping, camping in vehicles etc. Certain counselors are working like mad to hide things they have said and done its appalling.


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#10097 Nparker

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Posted 25 November 2021 - 02:16 PM

...the next people in council could work to undo everything this council has done...

One can hope! 


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#10098 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 26 November 2021 - 03:26 PM

We need another fence in the downtown core

Isn’t this great? A beautiful building, the Alix Goolden Performance Hall at the Conservatory of Music, will be behind an ugly wire fence at Pandora and Quadra to prevent criminals and drug users from destroying it.

Using the same logic, maybe it would be a good idea to put the same style metal fence around City Hall to keep the mayor and a certain four city councillors inside City Hall in order to prevent any further destruction to downtown.

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#10099 Nparker

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Posted 26 November 2021 - 03:31 PM

That's a great letter.



#10100 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 26 November 2021 - 03:35 PM

I’m a bit surprised they ran it. But I’m also told that Obee is pretty upset about how the CoV is being run.
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