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#441 Mike K.

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Posted 25 May 2019 - 08:11 AM

That’s why the carriage industry came out united on Thursday. But that’s now how it works 99% of the rest of the time.

The proof is in the pudding, and why the business community, in general, remains quiet over political issues.

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#442 Rob Randall

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Posted 25 May 2019 - 08:12 AM

The business community is busy running businesses. That’s really the issue. The other issue is terms are four years long, which means the time necessary to dedicate to politics has increased by 33%. Four years is a long, long time to dedicate to something you’ve never done and might not like or be good at.

The way things are going is activists, political career hopefuls and folks with nothing to lose by ditching a low-paying job in favour of another paying job, but with power and prestige, are what’s left.

 

Another thing you have to consider, when we imagine the "business community" we tend to think of the Kelly Armstrong, Bob Cross, Clive Tanner generation, the boomers. Today's business owners are the Tacofinos, the Habit Coffees; men (and women) born in the 80s and later. There's no guarantee they're at the same spot on the political spectrum as their predecessors. 


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Posted 25 May 2019 - 08:20 AM

 

 

isitt blames cfax.

 

 

 

 

 

...the media is the enemy of the people...

 



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Posted 25 May 2019 - 08:20 AM

Remind me who Clive Tanner is, if you could?

But yes, that’s a great point.

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Posted 25 May 2019 - 08:26 AM

Another thing you have to consider, when we imagine the "business community" we tend to think of the Kelly Armstrong, Bob Cross, Clive Tanner generation, the boomers. Today's business owners are the Tacofinos, the Habit Coffees; men (and women) born in the 80s and later. There's no guarantee they're at the same spot on the political spectrum as their predecessors. 

I agree, but regardless of how far "left" you are when you graduate from school ... when you have your life savings wrapped up in your business, and when you depend on that business to pay your mortgage, and when you have employees who you know just a bit too well who are dependant on your paying them every second Friday ... it tends to drag your political beliefs just a bit further to the right than they otherwise might be.

 

But IMO it's only the business community that can effectively push back against what we currently have installed at COV City Hall.

If the business community either can't, or won't push back ... then we're going to see a lot more of what we saw the other night ... minus any guarantee that defeating Isitt's motions is a done deal. Eventually, Isitt is going to start making headway with is plan for the COV ... and it won't be pretty.

 

What other group could provide an effective counter-punch against Isitt and his cronies?


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Posted 25 May 2019 - 08:47 AM

...But IMO it's only the business community that can effectively push back against what we currently have installed at COV City Hall....

I did my best last October to cast my ballot for candidates that I hoped would bring a sense of balance to CoV council. Alas, it seems they didn't stand a chance against the local SJW machine.  :(


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Posted 25 May 2019 - 09:31 AM

I suspect one of the impediments to local businesses getting involved is fear of reprisal. If a local businessman ran for council, and for example, suggested we do a better job of enforcing existing bylaws downtown, there would be a large protest in front of his business attacking him for hate speech and organizing a boycott of his operation. That's a pretty serious disincentive for getting involved.

 

Look how the TV slate tried to label a gay atheist with professional expertise in stopping workplace bullying as a dangerous right-winger!


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#448 Mike K.

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Posted 25 May 2019 - 09:36 AM

No kidding.

Just like they tried to label the carriage industry as an animal abusing, profit-driven slave trade. Those were literally the terms that appeared at the public hearing. Oh, and “I am a paid activist” did as well, lol.
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Posted 25 May 2019 - 02:49 PM


Isitt said that public debate over the issue had resulted in “ad hominem” attacks and suggested the protest and packed council chamber was at least in part due to broadcast media’s “political organizing.”


“It’s apparent that CFAX Radio and other institutions in our community are very effective at political organizing and it confirms that the airways can be a very powerful voice when mobilized behind a political cause,” Isitt said, adding that it seemed half the population of Central Saanich (where the horses are stabled) was in the council chambers.


Isitt repeatedly said during the council meeting he still believes greater regulation of the industry is needed, but conceded his call for a ban by 2023 did not have enough council support to pass.


“It does appear that pressure from private interests and from the Chamber of Commerce has zapped the morale or the resolve of this council to move forward with very robust regulations, in terms of regulations that would phase out the industry,” Isitt said, adding that when he’s sure he can count on four other council members to ban the horse-drawn carriages from city streets, he will bring the matter back.



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isitt blames cfax.


"Fake news CFAX staged a DISHONEST protest and made WEAK councillors vote down my motion. I am the most stable genius and making Victoria great again by writing letters and passing the BEST resolutions."
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Posted 25 May 2019 - 02:58 PM

"Fake news CFAX staged a DISHONEST protest and made WEAK councillors vote down my motion. I am the most stable genius and making Victoria great again by writing letters and passing the BEST resolutions."

 

and whereas hillary lost 33,000 e-mails isitt has never misplaced a citizen's e-mail address you can tell because you are on his e-mail list if you ever contacted city hall.


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Posted 25 May 2019 - 04:48 PM

Just watched the first episode of Chernobyl, (its really good) the opening scene the narrator is talking and says this

 

What is the cost of lies?”
“If we hear enough lies, then we can no longer recognize the truth at all."

 

 

This statement really hits the ball out of the park when you apply it to Isitt and Reichert regarding the horse tours...they dont care about truth, they only care about fulfilling their agenda


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#452 johnk

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Posted 25 May 2019 - 09:53 PM

It was good to see some media firmly attach Ben's name to it. I didnt notice council colleagues rallying round him.

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Posted 25 May 2019 - 10:56 PM

It was good to see some media firmly attach Ben's name to it. I didnt notice council colleagues rallying round him.

If we're lucky, Isitt will make enough missteps such that he will become somewhat poisonous to be too closely associated with (politically).

The proof will be the pudding that see's Loveday break away and start voting against some (or all) of Isitt's more polarizing (read "crazy") ideas ... but that certainly hasn't happened to date.

 

But pulling away from Isitt politically can happen for any number of reasons ... as we clearly saw with Collins a couple of days ago.



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Posted 26 May 2019 - 07:18 AM

Another thing you have to consider, when we imagine the "business community" we tend to think of the Kelly Armstrong, Bob Cross, Clive Tanner generation, the boomers. Today's business owners are the Tacofinos, the Habit Coffees; men (and women) born in the 80s and later. There's no guarantee they're at the same spot on the political spectrum as their predecessors. 

 

They very much are not in the same spot. Even the Chamber has shifted.



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Posted 26 May 2019 - 07:58 AM

You're never going to get every citizen on board with this topic. There are vegans that won't eat honey as it's the product of the exploitation of bee's labour. But attitudes change. When I was a kid nobody thought there was anything wrong with kidnapping an orca and keeping it in solitary confinement in a swimming pool in Oak Bay.

 

But I think there are ways to make the carriage industry safer. Better training for one. That debacle where the horses fell down and nobody seemed to know what to do, that didn't have to happen. Maybe make that hill on Dallas Road off-limits when it's wet. Horseshoes with more grip, I don't know? 


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Posted 26 May 2019 - 08:12 AM

You're never going to get every citizen on board with this topic. There are vegans that won't eat honey as it's the product of the exploitation of bee's labour. But attitudes change. When I was a kid nobody thought there was anything wrong with kidnapping an orca and keeping it in solitary confinement in a swimming pool in Oak Bay.

 

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Posted 26 May 2019 - 08:18 AM

I think when the horse fell part of the problem was it was on a slope, making it difficult to get up. The other horse remained down, as it was instructed to do so as not to cause further entanglement.

 

Can you tell me who is paying Reichert?


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#458 Mike K.

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Posted 26 May 2019 - 08:29 AM

One attitude that has certainly changed is the idea that keeping large dog breeds, or any dog for that matter, in an apartment is a great idea.
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Posted 26 May 2019 - 09:36 AM

One attitude that has certainly changed is the idea that keeping large dog breeds, or any dog for that matter, in an apartment is a great idea.

 

Could you imagine the uproar by the SJWs if there was a movement to try and ban dogs from apartments or condos?!



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Posted 26 May 2019 - 10:01 AM

I think when the horse fell part of the problem was it was on a slope, making it difficult to get up. The other horse remained down, as it was instructed to do so as not to cause further entanglement.

 

Can you tell me who is paying Reichert?

 

Yup, that video was debunked as not telling the whole story and was subsequently edited to create shock value....and who would ever accuse a SJW of manipulating something to their benefit???


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